Conversation: 582-009
Prev: 582-008 Next: 582-010Start Date: 30-Sep-1971 4:10 PM
End Date: 30-Sep-1971 5:31 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Douglas-Home, Alexander F. (Sir); Baring, George R. S.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; White House photographer; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:48:24
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:05:43
NARA Description:
On September 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home, George R. S. Baring, Henry A. Kissinger, Ronald L. Ziegler, White House photographer, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:10 pm to 5:31 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 582-009 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 582-9
Date: September 30, 1971
Time: 4:10 pm - 5:31 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home, the Earl of Cromer, and Henry
A. Kissinger; Ronald L. Ziegler, the White House photographer, and members of the press were
present at the beginning of the meeting.
Introductions
Greetings
Seating arrangements
Photo opportunity
The President's schedule
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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-Meeting with Congressmen
-Length
-Souvanna Phouma
Congress
-Vote
Indochina
-US presence
-Popular support
-Cost
-Ground forces
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VIETNAM
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-South Vietnam
-US elections in 1972
-Conditions
-Visits by Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Domestic situation
-Cambodia
-Sir Robert Thompson
-Cambodia
-Election
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-US casualties
-US domestic situation
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Vietnam as issue
-Elections
-Thieu
-Political traditions in South Vietnam
-Parliamentary election
-Composition of houses
-Opposition party
-Senators
-US actions
-Foreign aid
-Cutoff
-Democratically-elected governments
-Africa
-India
-Unknown country
-Pakistan
-US military forces
-Withdrawal of troops
-Announcement
-Negotiations
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Election
-Member of visiting American team
-Cut-off of foreign aid
-Control of situation
-Effect on US foreign policy
-Tradition of responsibility in the world
-Great Britain
-Outcome of war in Vietnam
-Effect on the US
-End of war
-Partisanship
-US Congress
-Vote
-Date for withdrawal
-Announcement
-Mansfield Amendment
-Roll call
-Senate
-House of Representatives
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
US arms talks with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Senate
-Forthcoming election year
-Ratification of Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] Treaty
-Defense levels
-Roll call
-1969
-1970
-Negotiations with USSR
-Land base missiles
-USSR numerical advantage
-Congressional appropriations
-Cut-off
-Effect
-US posture
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Reduction for North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] forces
-Vote
-Vietnam
-Congress
-End of war
-ABMs
-Numbers of missiles
-US strategy
-Protection of deterrent
-Population
-USSR strategy
-Population
-Missiles
-Settlement
-Moscow
-Negotiations
-May 20, 1971 announcement
-Simultaneous discussions of agreement
-USSR position
-Defensive forces
-US position
-Offensive forces
-Status
-Equality between defensive and offensive forces
-Adjustments of forces
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-US
-ABMs
-USSR
-Offensive forces
-Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles [MIRVs]
-Warheads
-Numbers
Foreign relations
-British policy
-Berlin accord
-British expulsion of Soviets, September 24, 1971
-Defector to Britain
-Information
-Douglas-Home's conversation with Andrei A. Gromyko
-British relations with USSR
-Conference on European Security and Cooperation
-Gromyko's comment
-Soviet diplomatic establishment
-Conduct of Soviet diplomatic policy
-Komitet Gossudarstvennoi Bezopastnosti [KGB]
-Kissinger's conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-Intermediaries
-William J. Casey
-Dobrynin
-Toy manufacturer in New York
-Future foreign relations developments
-Informing the British
-European security
-Douglas-Home's communication with Gromyko
-Berlin
-British position
-Meeting in Berlin
-Preparation
-Soviet relations with France
-Treaties
-Timing
-Germany's previous policy
-Ratification with Soviets
-Berlin Treaty
-Willy Brandt
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Kissinger
-Berlin
-East Germany
[Unintelligible]
-Brandt
-Actions
-Crimea
-Invitation
-Relations between the USSR and its allies
-Mutual and Balance Force Reductions [MBFR]
-Conference on European Security and Cooperation
-US position
-Gromyko's meeting with the President
-William P. Rogers
-Berlin talks
-Preliminary discussions
-Timetable
-Preparatory meetings
-Berlin Accord
-East and West Germany
-Status of talks
-Conclusion of Berlin Accord
-Discussions
-Benefits of European Security Conference
-Josip B. Tito
-Austria
-MBFR
-US position
-Europeans' position
Arms talks
-Bilateral reductions
-Proponents
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Possible unilateral American action
-Reaction by Warsaw pact and the USSR
-Mansfield Amendment
-Multilateral reductions
-Soviets
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-NATO
-Undersecretary of State John N. Irwin II
-Foreign Ministers' meeting
-US position
-Proposals
-Presentation to NATO
-Presentation to British
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Meeting
-US position on treaty
-Meeting
-United Nations [UN] Security Council
-Percentage reductions
-Timetable for reduction
-Proposed dates
-Congress
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Actions
-Timing
-Disarmament
-Asia
-Feelings toward reduction of forces
-Meetings with Western Europeans
-Motives
-Reactions to Soviet proposals
-World disarmament conference
-MBFR
-Geneva Committee
-Forums for arms control discussions
Foreign relations
-USSR relations with the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-USSR position
-USSR and Middle East
-Relations
-Egypt
-Israel
-Egypt
-Brezhnev
-Disarmament
-Middle East
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Home's previous visit to Cairo
-Rogers
-Egypt
-Israel
-Abba Eban
-Mahmoud Riad
-Troop withdrawals from Suez Canal area
-Treaty between Egypt and Israel
-Terms
-Exchange of views
-Eban
-Propositions
-Work on the Egypt-Israel issue
-Joseph J. Sisco
-Gunnar Jarring
-Egypt
-Anwar el-Sadat
-Mahmoud Fawzi
-Relations with Sadat
-Relations with Israelis
-Sadat's position
-Comparison with Riad's position
-Israeli withdrawal
-Terms
-Phase I
-Phase II
-Jarring
-Fawzi
-Riad
-Kissinger's meeting September 29, 1971
-Possibility of additional meetings
-USSR
-Relations with Egypt
-Air bases
-Conflict between Israel and Egypt
-Effect on soviet policy
-Egypt
-Soviet presence
-Military bases
-Suez canal
-Douglas-Home's conversation with Sadat
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Israeli withdrawal
-Egyptian forces
-Soviet troops
-1967 line
-Egyptian side
-Sadat's position
-Option
-Soviet troops
-UN troops
-Israel
-Withdrawal
-Previous conflict with Egypt
-U Thant
-President’s visit to morocco
-Egypt
-Conditions
-Sadat
-Relations with Israel
-Morale of country, Egyptian army
-Troops on canal zone
-Government
-Douglas-Home's conversation with Golda Meir
-Attitude toward Israel
-Morale of Egyptian army
-Effects
-Need for action
-Sisco
-The president's appointment
Economic issues
-British position
-The president's speech of September 29, 1971
-Protectionism
-US role in the world
-Media problem
-Long-range solution
-John B. Connally
-Japan and other countries
-Relations with the US
-Isolationism
-Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-The president's recent speech to congress
-American interests
-Current interpretation of US role in the world
-Labor
-Reciprocal trade
-Protectionism
-Quotas
-Tariff barriers
-Surcharges
US participation in NATO
-Foreign aid
-The presidents press conference
-Bargaining positions
-Britain
-Japan
-Negotiations
-US role
-World responsibility
-Military
-Diplomatic
-Economic
-American political spectrum
-Isolationism
Cromer's schedule
-Forthcoming meeting
-Attendance
-Car
Cromer left at an unknown time before 5:13 pm.
Foreign policy
-India-Pakistan war
-Guerrilla warfare
-Area of operation
-New offensive
-British shipping line
-Navigation to East Pakistan [?]
-Communications
-UN
-British actions
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
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INDIA-PAKISTAN
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-Rhodesia
-Ian smith
-Five principles
-Timetable
-Commonwealth status
-[James] Harold Wilson
-Position
-US relations with Britain
-The President's conversation with Edward R.G. heath
-South Africa
-Kissinger's meeting with Africans
-US position
-Organization of African Unity [OAU]
-Moktar Ould Daddah
-Mauritania
-Population
-Rhodesia, South Africa
-Meeting
-Sukarno
-Meeting with the President in 1953
-West Iran
-British policy
-OAU
-Chrome
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-British policy
-Situation in Rhodesia
-Exchange of information
-US
-Kissinger
-UN vote on the PRC
-Procedural points
-US resolution
-British position
-Important question
-Albanian resolution
-British support
Douglas-Home left at 5:13 pm.
UN vote on the PRC
-Previous meeting with Douglas-Home
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-George H.W. Bush
-Debate
-Delay
-Kissinger's trip
-Return
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 5:15 pm.
Kissinger's schedule
-Meeting with Gromyko
-Time
The President's schedule
-Preparation of item
-Delivery
-The President's signature
-Kissinger's schedule
-Photographs signed by the President
-Inscription to Ermalee [Surname unknown]
-Unknown person
-Health
-Clark MacGregor
-Recommendations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Edward M. Kennedy
-Edmund S. Muskie
The President left at an unknown time after 5:15 pm.
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time before 5:31 pm.
Oval Office
-Alarm
-Door
Kissinger's schedule
-Meeting with the President
-The President's schedule
The President's schedule
-Kissinger
Butterfield and Bull left at 5:20 pm.
The President entered at an unknown time after 5:20 pm.
PRC
-UN vote
-Kissinger's trip
-Timing in comparison to the UN vote
-Kissinger's return
-Trip to New York
-Bush
-US position
-Chou En-lai
-PRC, Taiwan
-Ukraine example
-Changes in timetable
-Announcement of Kissinger's trip
-UN vote
-Outcome
-Effect
-Rogers
Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Negotiations
-Timing
-Resumption of bombing
-Military targets
-North Vietnam
-Release of POWs
-Announcement
-US public reaction
-Effect on North Vietnam
-Conditions
-Recent floods
-Death tolls
-Possible settlement
-Timing
-Press coverage of North Vietnam
-Effect
-October 5, 1971 announcement
-Vietnam election
-PRC trip announcement
-USSR trip
-Kissinger's trip to the PRC
British
Vietnam
-MacGregor
-Support for Mansfield amendment
-Senate
-Absentees
-Kissinger's call to Jacob K. Javits
-The President's conversation with Robert P. Griffin
-The President's statement on the draft
-Effect on Congress
-Congressional relations
-The President's meeting with Congressmen
-Olin E. (“Tiger”)Teague’s comment
-POWs
-Press coverage
The PRC
-Kissinger's trip
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 582-9 (cont.)
-Timing
-UN vote
-Outcome
-Taiwan
-Effect on us public
-Conservatives
-US statement
-UN
-Taiwan
-Support
-Kissinger's trip
-Reasons
-PRC domestic situation
-USSR
-UN vote
-Soviet summit
-British
-Exchange of information
-Cromer
-US role in world
Economy
-The President's remarks at the International Monetary Fund [IMF], September 29,
1971
-Effect
-Connally
-Meetings with Kissinger
-The President's remarks at the IMF
-Reaction
-US position
-Isolationism
-Cooperation
-Connally
-The President's position
The President and Kissinger left at 5:31 pm.