Conversation No. 588-2

Date: October 11, 1971
Time: 11:31 am - 2:13 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Aldo Moro, Edgido Ortona, Henry A. Kissinger, and Neil A. Seidenman;
members of the press were present at the beginning of this meeting.

     Salutations
          -Moro
          -John A. Volpe

     Photographs

     Southern California

Members of the press left at an unknown time after 11:31 am.
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The President's welcome to Moro
     -Moro's schedule
            -United Nations [UN]
     -Italy
            -Foreign policy

Moro's remarks to the President
    -Outlook for the future
          -Italian foreign policy
                 -US
                 -Italian coalition government
                 -Italian domestic situation
                        -Forthcoming election
                        -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
                        -Communist Party

The President's analysis of world situation
     -Free world nations
           -Italy, Germany, France, Great Britain
     -USSR
     -Asia
           -Japan
     -Future of the world
           -American foreign relations
                 -Italy, France, Germany, Great Britain, Japan
                       -US role
                       -Importance
                 -Communist countries
                 -Chad

World problems
    -The President’s view
    -William P. Rogers
          -Previous meeting with Moro
               -UN
                     -Possible expulsions
                          -The President’s view
                                -Possible effect
                     -US congress
                          -Implications
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Italian foreign policy
      -Moro’s view
      -European community participation
            -Relations with the US
      -UN
            -People's Republic of China [PRC]
                  -US initiative
                  -US position
                  -Italy's position
                        -Domestic situation
      -US diplomacy
            -The President’s view
            -Kissinger
                  -Comments

Italian-American relations
      -Moro’s view
          -Ambassador exchanges

Taiwan-PRC relations
    -The President's reply
         -Kissinger
    -UN
         -USSR example
               -Representation
    -PRC
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                -Italian domestic political situation
                       -The President's view
                            -US domestic concern

     Moro's observations
         -Middle East
               -US efforts
               -Israel and Egypt
                     -Positions
                     -Suez Canal
                     -Rogers efforts
               -The president's reply
                     -Italy's role
                     -Moro's view
                           -Italy's objective
                                  -US support

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:31 am.

     The President’s schedule
          -Sons of Italy

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:18 pm.
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     Economic situation
         -John B. Connally
               -US objective

Americo Cortese, Peter Gay, Frank Montemuro, Paul Landi, Nicholas Cipriani, William Cercone
and John A. Volpe and members of the press entered at 12:18 pm.

     Greetings

     Introductions
           -[Unintelligible]
           -Standard of Ohio

     Photo opportunity

     Presentation to Moro

     The President's presentation of gifts
          -Columbus Day
               -Paper weights
          -Golf balls

     Herbert G. Klein

     Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

     Expressions of appreciation

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 12:26 pm.

     [Unintelligible]

Moro et al. left at 12:27 pm; Butterfield and Volpe remained.

     The President's schedule
          -Butterfield
               -Unknown person's telephone call to Volpe

Volpe left at 12:29 pm.

     Weather
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The President left and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:29 pm.

     Proposal

     Connally

The President entered and Butterfield left at 12:30 pm.

     Weather

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:30 pm and
12:31 pm.

[Conversation No. 588-2A]

[See Conversation No. 11-32]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Poll
            -Popular approval of Nixon
            -George Meany

The President talked with John N. Mitchell between 12:31 pm and 12:34 pm.

[Conversation No. 588-2B]

[See Conversation No. 11-33]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Supreme Court appointment
          -Mildred L. Lillie
               -Catholic
               -Husband
                    -Italian

The President talked with White House operator at 12:35 pm.

[Conversation No. 588-2C]
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[See Conversation No. 11-34]

[End of telephone conversation]

                -Name background

The President talked with John N. Mitchell between 12:35 pm and 12:36 pm.

[Conversation No. 588-2D]

[See Conversation No. 11-35]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Supreme Court appointment
          -Lillie
                -Husband, A.V. Falcone
          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Haldeman
                -Wife's position on Women's Liberation
                      -Woman appointee
          -Lillie
                -Position
          -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Richard H. Poff
                -Lillie
                -Position on a woman appointee
                -Mitchell
                -Robert C. Byrd
                      -James O. Eastland
                      -Steve [Surname unintelligible]
                            -Horatio Alger story
                      -Membership in organizations
                      -The President’s view
                      -Judicial views
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Polls
        -Approval ratings
        -Meany's position
             -Compared with the President’s position
        -Labor
             -The President's economic program
             -Federal action
             -Strikes
             -Anti-inflation program
        -The President's economic plan
        -Union compared with non-union workers
             -Meany
        -Louis P. Harris
             -Charles W. Colson

Media
    -Reporting
         -Local stations
         -Public broadcasting

Gen. Albert Redman of White House Communications Agency [WHCA]

Forthcoming trip to PRC
     -Dwight L. Chapin's preparation for PRC trip
     -Kissinger
     -Peter G. Peterson
     -Use of telephones by staff
           -The President's 1959 visit to USSR
           -Redman
     -Secret Service
           -Car
     -Ground station communications and media station
           -Boeing 747
                 -Set-up
           -Capability
           -Instructions for Kissinger
                 -Inspection by PRC
     -Communications
           -Telephones
                 -Use by the President
           -Speaker of the House, Carl B. Albert
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     -Ground station
            -Purpose
            -Congress
-Videotapes
-John A. Scali
-Public interest
     -Europe
-American networks
     -Coverage
-Kissinger
-Rogers
-Secret Service car
     -The President's experience with Soviets
     -Yugoslavs
     -Rumanians
     -Chinese
     -Use of car
            -The President’s view
-Communications
-Secret Service
-Secretaries
     -Kissinger
     -Women
     -Rose Mary Woods
     -Military men
            -Ability
            -Navy yeomen
            -Stewards
-Women accompanying the President to PRC
     -Woods
-Chou En-lai
     -Mrs. Nixon
     -Adele (Langston) Rogers
     -Woods
     -Kissinger
     -Mrs. Nixon
            -Rogers
            -Public relations
            -Constance M. Stuart
            -Ronald L. Ziegler
            -John A. Scali
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             -Klein
                  -USSR
             -Robert H. Finch
             -Donald H. Rumsfeld

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 12:36 pm.

     Polls

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 2:13 pm.

             -Unions
                  -Meany compared with Nixon
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Strength
                  -Strikes
             -Harris
                  -US economy
                        -The President's handling

     News magazines
         -Evaluation
              -Kissinger
         -Disney World
              -Time, Newsweek articles
              -Life
              -Florida economy
              -Television special

     The President's schedule
          -Disney World
               -Television special
               -Republican women event
               -Walt Disney's widow
               -Haldeman’s role
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    Press story
          -Veracity

    Newspapers
        -Ziegler
             -Los Angeles Times
             -Newsday
             -Claude Irwin
             -Roland Evans and Robert D. Novak
             -Administration’s dealings
                  -The President’s view
             -Marty Schram’s article
                  -Haldeman’s view
             -New York Times
                  -Robert B. Semple, Jr.
                  -Administration's relations
                        -Klein
                  -Editorial policy
                  -Max Frankel
                  -Semple
             -Los Angeles Times
                  -Administration’s position
                  -Irwin
                        -Semple
             -Kissinger
                  -Availability to press
        -Romana A. Banuelos
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Newspaper story on Banuelos
    -[Forename unknown] Rosenberg
          -Harry Bernstein
    -Justice Department
    -Mitchell
          -Los Angeles office

Evans and Novak
     -Kissinger
     -Book
           -Foreign policy
           -Richard J. Whalen's review
     -Access to White House staff
     -Kissinger
     -William L. Safire
     -Rumsfeld
     -Finch
     -Rogers C. B. Morton
     -Patrick J. Buchanan
     -Jimmy Allison
     -Hugh Scott
     -Clark MacGregor
     -Columns
     -J. Edgar Hoover
           -Jack N. Anderson
           -Approach
           -William C. Sullivan
           -Responses

Television
     -Comments regarding the President's Phase II economic speech
           -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                -Edith Effron
                -Theory of network intent
                -Novak, et al.
                -Compared with isolation presentation
     -Slanting of presentations
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Media
    -The President’s Phase II speech
    -Peter Lisagor
    -Revenue sharing speech
    -Mark Hueres [?]
          -Ziegler
          -Safire
    -Possible administration approach
          -New York Times
                -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
          -Los Angeles Times
                -Otis Chandler
          -Norman Buck
          -Washington Post
          -Relations with editorial boards
                -Associated Press [AP], United Press International [UPI], Scripps-Howard
                -The President's memories of the campaign
                      -Klein
                           -UPI

The President's schedule

Press
        -Coverage of church services
             -Mrs. Nixon
        -Mitchell

Pictures

The President's schedule
     -Press briefing, October 12, 1971
     -Bipartisan meeting
     -Leaders' meeting
     -F. Edward Hebert
     -Cabinet meeting
          -Phase II
                 -George P. Shultz
                 -Ziegler
          -Announcement of US-USSR Summit
          -Kissinger
                 -Rogers
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-Editorial writers
      -Pittsburgh
      -Phase II
      -Oklahoma City
      -Vermont Royster
-World Series
-William F. (“Billy”) Graham
-Film work
      -Robert P. Griffin [?] birthday salute
      -March of Dimes
      -National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]
            -Connally, James D. Hodgson, Maurice H. Stans, Paul W. McCracken,
                  Herbert Stein
            -Possible radio statement
-Charles H. Percy
      -Chicago
            -Testimonial dinner
      -Griffin
-State Department
      -Singapore
            -International Telecommunications Satellite [INTELSAT]
      -Morocco
-Television stations
      -Sickle cell anemia
            -Gerald R. Ford
            -Mrs. Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Telephone calls
      -Griffin
      -Percy
      -Otto Passman
-Grand Commander of the Conference of English-speaking Scottish [Unintelligible]
      Free Masonry and Supreme Council in Amity
-Congressmen petition
      -Support for Taiwan
            -UN
            -Possible presentation to the President
      -Clement P. Zablocki, Joe D. Waggonner, Robert L.F. Sikes, Unintelligible
            Name, William J. Scherle, and Passman
      -George H.W. Bush
            -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
-Ceremonial duties
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      -The President’s position
      -INTELSAT events
      -Sickle cell anemia
      -NAM events
      -Republicans
      -Radio
      -Percy and Griffin
      -[Forename unknown] Miller
      -Television
            -Radio
            -Telephone calls
-Visit of Robert S. McNamara
-Mayor and Chief of Police of Washington, D.C.
      -Crime
            -Ehrlichman
-Harris
      -Colson
-Fort Detrick
      -Cancer research, biological warfare laboratory
-Possible visit by Prime Minister of Turkey
      -Kissinger
-National Municipal League
      -Revenue sharing
      -Welfare
-American Nurses Association
      -Elliot L. Richardson
-Salvation Army
      -Norman Vincent Peale
      -New York
            -New York Hilton
      -Mrs. Nixon
      -Knights of Columbus
-Volpe
      -Presidential box at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
-President Hubert Maga
      -Republic of Dahomey
      -Reaction
      -Visit to UN General Assembly
      -American Federation of Labor-Council of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]
            -State Department
            -Vietnam Prisoner of War [POW] resolution
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               -African nations
          -Louise Gore
               -United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization [UNESCO]
               -Richardson
               -Frank Shakespeare
               -Kissinger

    Chief Zosimo T. Monzon
         -Military record
         -Future plans
         -Family life
         -The President’s appreciation and support
         -Family
         -Possible future assignment
         -Lyndon B. Johnson's staff as ex-President
         -Vocation


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    PRC


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    Walter J. Hickel
         -Future role in government
               -Alaska development
         -Stans
         -Mitchell
         -USSR
               -Siberia
                     -Kissinger
               -Plans

    Buchanan
        -Briefing Book
              -Press Conferences
              -Staff morale

    The President's schedule
         -Film appearances
              -Standard Oil
              -Big business
              -Connally, Hodgson
         -Eisenhower Theatre
              -Opening
                     -Reception
                     -Mrs. Nixon
                     -Alice Marriott
         -North Carolina
              -Trip
                     -Connally
                     -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally
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                   -Charles R. Jonas
                   -Size of delegation


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              -Congressional delegation
                    -Wives
                    -Sects on Air Force One
         -The President's planes, Air Force One
              -Maintenance and refurbishing
              -Gen. James D. Hughes
              -Air Force
                    -Back-up plane
              -George H. Mahon
              -Purposes
                    -PRC trip
                    -USSR trip
              -Old Air Force One
              -Rogers
              -PRC trip
                    -USSR trip
              -Campaign
                    -Very Important Persons [VIPs]

    Unions
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     Public support for the President's economic policies
          -Prospects in good times
                -Hubert H. Humphrey
                      -Unemployment


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An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:30 pm.

     Item for the President

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 2:13 pm.

     Press
             -Announcement of Soviet Summit

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:30 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with Shultz
          -Executive Office Building [EOB]

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:13 pm].

             -Shultz and Rumsfeld
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     The President's schedule
          -Meany

The President and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman left at 2:13 pm.