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Start Date: 15-Oct-1971 10:38 AM

End Date: 15-Oct-1971 11:32 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.Mitchell, John N.Ehrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:42:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:35:30

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NARA Description:

On October 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, John N. Mitchell, John D. Ehrlichman, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:38 am to 11:32 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 593-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 593-11

Date: October 15, 1971
Time: 10:38 am - 11:32 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     US foreign relations
          -Aleksei N. Kosygin
               -Message for Nixon
               -[Forename unknown] Burns [sp?]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:38 am.

     The President's schedule
          -John B. Connally

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:40 am.

     News story
         -Maxine Cheshire
         -Kissinger’s view
         -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
               -Newsday
         -Unknown woman
               -Taft Schreiber

     Robert S. McNamara
         -Pakistan
                -World Bank loan

     US foreign policy
          -Soviets
               -Edwin O. Reischauer
               -W. Averell Harriman

John N. Mitchell and John D. Ehrlichman entered at 10:40 am.

          -Dinner for visiting delegation
                                              16

                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)



Kissinger left at 10:41 am.

     Supreme Court appointments
          -Chief Justice Warren E. Burger
               -Letter to Mitchell
                     -Views on Court
                     -Woman
                     -Herschel H. Friday
                     -Possible appointees
               -Visit with Mitchell, October 15, 1971
                     -Resignation threat
                           -The President’s view
                           -Mitchell’s conversation with Burger
                     -Health
                     -Funeral of former Supreme Court justice
                     -The President’s view

     Administration's appointees
         -Burger
         -Arthur F. Burns
               -Andrew F. Brimmer
         -Federal Reserve Board [FRB]

     Supreme Court appointees
          -Burger
                -Threats of resignation
                      -White House staff
          -Burger's views
                -Mildred L. Lillie
          -Mitchell's forthcoming conversation with Burger
          -Burger
                -The President’s assessment of Burger’s appointment
                -Cabinet
                -Previous editorials
          -William J. Brennan
          -Thurgood Marshall
          -Byron R. (“Whizzer”) White
          -Harry A. Blackmun
          -Hugo L. Black
                -Burger
                                 17

              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. 10/06)
                                                   Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


-Robert C. Byrd
      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson's letter
            -Edmund S. Muskie
            -Edward M. Kennedy
-Friday
      -News summary
      -J. William Fulbright
      -Wilbur D. Mills
      -Burger's views
-Lewis F. Powell
-Women
      -News summary
      -The President’s view
      -Connally
            -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally
      -Equal Rights Amendment
            -The President’s view
      -Margaret M. (“Peggy”) Heckler
            -Lillie
                  -Political affiliation
-Friday
      -Political affiliation
-News summaries
      -David Schumacher
            -Lillie
      -Don Farmer
            -Friday
      -Bill [David ?] Lawrence's comments
      -Carl Stern
      -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
      -American Bar Association [ABA]
-Friday
      -Arkansas Gazette
      -Joseph L. Rauh, Jr.
-Martha (Beall) Mitchell
      -Lillie
-Jewish seat
-Burger
-Friday
      -Background
      -Possible Senate confirmation
                                   18

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


            -G. Harrold Carswell
            -Need for Republican support
                  -Charles McC. Mathias
                  -Robert P. Griffin
-William H. Rehnquist
      -Clark MacGregor
-Conservatives
      -Friday
      -Clement F. Haynsworth
      -Washington Post
            -Editorial
                  -Question of mediocrity
                  -Appointment of Hugo L. Black
-Burger
      -Editorial comments
-John W. Dean, III
      -Lillie
            -Mrs. A. V. Falcone
                  -Husband
            -Political philosophy
                  -Dean’s assessment
                  -Civil rights
                        -Southerners
                              -Law and order issues
                              -Sam J. Ervin, Jr.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
      -Felix Frankfurter
-Burger's views
      -Woman
-Women
      -Rita E. Hauser
      -Barbara (“Bobbie”) Greene Kilberg
      -The President's law school class
      -Maritime Commission
            -Helen Delich Bentley
      -Civil Service Commission
      -The President's views
      -Lillie
            -India
            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Burger's conversation with Mitchell
                                           19

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


               -Blackmun
                     -Friday
               -Woman
         -Earl Warren
               -The President’s view
         -Abe Fortas
         -Black
         -John M. Harlan
         -Brennan
         -William O. Douglas
         -The President’s view
         -Jewish appointment
               -Edward H. Levi
               -Possibility of appointment
         -Burger's forthcoming conversation with Mitchell
               -Possible appointees
         -Mitchell's possible conversation with Burger
               -Black
               -Woman
                     -Poll
                           -Louis Harris
         -Woman
               -Democrats


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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[Duration: 8s ]


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              -Education
                   -The President and Mitchell’s view
                   -Domestic science
              -Mitchell
                                              20

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


                -Equality
                -Peter G. Peterson
                      -Sally Peterson
                      -Textiles

     Donald M. Kendall
         -Pepsi Cola
         -Cartha D. (“Deke”) DeLoach

     Supreme Court appointments
          -Burger
               -Mitchell's conversation

Unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 10:41 am.

     Item to be delivered to Peterson

Unknown woman left at an unknown time before 11:32 am.

          -Age criteria
          -Burger
                -Popular opinion
                      -Appointment of a woman
                -Friday
                -Woman
          -Warren
                -Workload and case load
                      -Burger
                      -Black
                      -Harlan
                      -White
                      -Potter Stewart
                      -Brennan
                      -Case assignments
          -Age criteria
                -The President’s view
          -Lillie
                -Dean
                      -Workload
                -Opinion lengths
          -Holmes view of opinions
                                         21

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


     -Warren Court
          -Use of precedents
     -Burger
          -Possible resignation
                -Possible motive
          -Feelings on make-up of the Court
          -Possible resignation

Textiles agreement

Resignation of Will R. Wilson
     -Richard G. Kleindienst
     -Wilson's wife
     -Rationale
     -Deputy
     -Wilson’s efforts

J. Edgar Hoover
     -DeLoach's comments
     -Possibility of leaving office
           -Richard E. Berlin
     -DeLoach
     -Lou Nichols
     -Richard M. Helms
           -Telephone call to Ehrlichman
                 -Time magazine
                       -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                             -Investigation of espionage
     -William C. Sullivan
           -Complaints
           -Robert D. Novak
           -Terence F. Smith
           -New York Times
           -Time magazine
                 -Hugh Sidey
     -Ad Hoc Committee
     -Sullivan
     -Age
           -Effect
           -Conversation with Mitchell
     -Conversation with the President
                                         22

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)


     -FBI
            -Internal operation
                  -Robert T. Mardian
            -Sullivan
            -Performance of FBI
                  -Ehrlichman’s view
     -FBI
          -Sullivan
          -Internal discipline
          -DeLoach
                 -Possibility of resignation
     -Possibility of medal presentation
          -DeLoach
          -Medal of Freedom
                 -Lyndon B. Johnson
     -Possible impact on the President's reelection
     -Possibility of resignation
          -Time magazine
          -Rowland Evans and Novak
          -Possible impact on the President's reelection
          -DeLoach
          -Financial worth
          -Recreation Association
                 -Medicine

The President's schedule
     -North Carolina
          -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                 -F. Edward Hebert
                 -George H. Mahon
                 -Sequoia
                      -Youth groups

Protestantism
     -Graham
     -Appeal to youth

Supreme Court appointments
     -Burger
          -Woman
               -Qualifications
                                              23

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 593-11 (cont.)



Mitchell and Ehrlichman left at 11:32 am.