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Conversation: 609-013

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Start Date: 30-Oct-1971 12:09 PM

End Date: 30-Oct-1971 12:37 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:09:13

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:40:56

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609b.mp3

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609d.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:09 pm to 12:37 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 609-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 609-13

Date: October 30, 1971
Time: 12:09 pm - 12:37 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

     Campaign practices
         -Edward M. Kennedy
              -London Express cartoon
                    -Distribution

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:10 pm.

     Busing
                                        26

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 609-13 (cont.)


     -Poll
           -John D. Ehrlichman
     -Possible Amendment
           -Poll
           -Blacks
     -Supporters
           -Edward Kennedy
           -Edmund S. Muskie
     -Poll
           -Possible amendment
                 -1954 desegregation decision [Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education]
     -Possible amendment
           -Ehrlichman
           -Leonard Garment
           -The President’s view
     -Poll
           -George C. Wallace supporters
           -The President's supporters
           -Muskie supporters
           -Nation-wide
     -Letter from pro-busing group
           -Muskie
           -Polish-Americans
           -Boston

Edward M. Kennedy
    -London Express cartoon
         -Distribution
         -Muskie

Foreign aid program
     -Previous Senate vote
           -Henry A. Kissinger's view
           -The President’s view
     -Timing
     -White House response
     -Edward Kennedy’s statements
                                        27

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 609-13 (cont.)


United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan, Republic of China
     -Colson's conversation with George H.W. Bush
     -Bush's statement on the William F. Buckley, Jr. or “Dick Cavett” show television
           show
           -Possible UN expulsion of Israel
     -Elliot L. Richardson's forthcoming speech to the American Jewish Congress
           -President’s support for Israel
                 -Compared with Taiwan
           -Colson's conversation with Richardson
           -Statements about Edward Kennedy
           -Press conference

Foreign aid program
     -The President's conversation with Kissinger
           -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
     -The President's possible veto
           -The President’s view
           -Israel
           -Cambodia

UN vote on Taiwan
    -Bush’s statements
          -Appearances on Cavett and Buckley television shows
               -UN Secretary General U Thant's reaction
          -Forthcoming attack on Edward Kennedy
               -Kennedy’s previous statements on foreign policy
                     -Vietnam
                     -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                     -Kissinger’s trip to Peking
    -Richard F. Pederson
    -Bush's forthcoming treatment of the People's Republic of China [PRC] delegation
          -The President’ view
               -Compared with treatment of Soviet Union
               -Kissinger

Edward Kennedy
    -Effectiveness on television
         -Ronald L. Ziegler's views
                                             28

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 609-13 (cont.)


The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:10 pm and 12:25
pm and requested Ziegler.

[Conversation No. 609-13A]

     Edward Kennedy
         -Compared to Robert F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy

     The President's foreign policy
          -Press coverage
               -Kissinger’s view
                      -Soviet trip announcement
               -The President’s view

     Edward Kennedy
         -Robert J. Dole
         -Colson's conversation with Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger
              -Possible attack

Ziegler present at 12:25 pm.

           -Statement regarding UN vote on Taiwan
                 -Press coverage
                      -New York Times
                      -Washington Post
           -Physical appearance
                 -Ziegler’s view
           -Contrasted with brothers
           -Possible White House attacks
           -London Express cartoon
           -Mike Royko column
           -Peter Lisagor's possible column

     Foreign aid
          -Ziegler’s recent briefing
          -Kissinger
          -Israel
          -Vietnamization
          -Cambodia
          -Pakistan
                                              29

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 609-13 (cont.)


Ziegler left at 12:30 pm

     Press
             -Kissinger
             -Relations with the Administration
             -UN
             -Busing
                  -New York Times
                  -Ehrlichman, Leonard Garment
                  -Editorials

     Foreign aid program
          -Hugh Scott
          -Previous Senate vote
                -Administration's efforts
                     -State Department
                -Nofziger
                -Dole

     UN vote on Taiwan
         -Right-wing
         -Buckley

The President, Haldeman, and Colson left at 12:37 pm.