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Start Date: 3-Nov-1971 4:34 PM

End Date: 3-Nov-1971 5:31 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Long, Russell B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:04:10

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:00:09

612a.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Russell B. Long met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:34 pm to 5:31 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 612-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 612-4

Date: November 3, 1971
Time: 4:34 pm - 5:31 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Russell B. Long.

[Conversation No. 612-4A]

[See Conversation No. 13-108]

[End of telephone conversation]

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:35 pm.

     Robert H. Finch

     The President's schedule
          -Allen J. Ellender
               -Foreign aid program
                      -Continuing resolution
                           -George H. Mahon
          -Finch

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:40 pm and
4:42 pm.

[Conversation No. 612-4B]
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


[See Conversation No. 13-109]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Julie Nixon Eisenhower
           -Conversation with Haldeman
                -David N. Parker
                -Schedule
                -Tricia Nixon Cox and Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

The President talked with Finch between 4:42 pm and 4:43 pm.

[Conversation No. 612-4C]

[See Conversation No. 13-110]

[End of telephone conversation]


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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:43 pm and
4:46 pm.

[Conversation No. 612-4D]

[See Conversation No. 13-111]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Julie Eisenhower
           -Schedule
                                               4

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


                -Youth vote
                -James McLane and Kenneth S. Rietz
                -Rockford College, Illinois
                     -Irv Kupcinet's television show
                -James County, Indiana 4-H Club group

     Vietnam
          -Casualties
               -Henry A. Kissinger
               -Rate
                      -Announcement
                          -William P. Rogers
                          -Timing

     Julie Eisenhower
           -Schedule


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     Mrs. Nixon's schedule
          -Receptions
               -Patricia R. Mosbacher
               -[Mrs. Roger E.?] Johnson
               -Kathleen Stans
               -Mrs. Bill Carson
               -Elinor I. Agnew

Stephen B. Bull entered at 4:46 pm.

     Arrival of Kissinger, Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and Finch
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                           Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)



Kissinger, Haig and Finch entered and Bull left at 4:46 pm.

     W. Dewey Clower
         -Advance work

     Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
          -Kissinger
          -Haig
          -Timing
                 -John B. Connally's schedule
          -Canadian negotiations
                 -Haig
                 -Kissinger's forthcoming meeting with Peter G. Peterson
          -Import surcharge
                 -Timing of announcement
                       -Connally
          -Talking papers
                 -National Security Council [NSC]
                 -State Department
                       -Views
                             -Compared to Connally
                                   -Military assistance
                       -Connally
                 -Military assistance
                       -Col. Gravel [sp?]
                       -Finch's conversation with Ronald H. Walker
                       -Argentina and Brazil
                             -Presidents
                                   -Forthcoming meetings with Finch
          -Brazil
                 -William M. Rountree
          -Meetings with Heads of State
                 -Connally
                 -Finch
                 -Gifts
                       -Wedding photographs
                 -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
                       -Possible channel
                       -Schedule
                 -Ecuador
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


                       -[Jose Maria Velasco Ibarra]
                             -Fishing dispute
                                   -State Department
                             -US military aid
           -Ashley Hewitt and Charles A. Meyer
                 -Rogers
           -William J. Mazzocco
                 -Peterson
           -Herbert G. Klein
           -[Luis Echeverria Alvarez]
                 -United Nations [UN] vote to expel Taiwan

The President talked with Philip M. Crane between 4:54 and 4:55 pm; Kissinger, et al.,
continued with their conversation during the President's phone call.

[Conversation No. 612-4E]

[See Conversation No. 13-112]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Birthday greetings
          -Kissinger's practice

     Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
          -Memorandum
          -The President's letters to Heads of State
                 -Content
                      -State Department
                      -Finch
                            -Relationship with the President
                      -UN vote
                            -Mexico
          -Expropriations
                 -Connally
                      -Walker
                      -Possible announcement
                 -Import surcharge
                      -Foreign aid
                 -Announcement
                      -Timing
                                            7

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


         -Meyer
         -Hewitt
         -US foreign policy
              -Military compared to foreign aid
              -Meyer
              -Nixon Doctrine
                    -Democracy
         -Brazil


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    BRAZIL


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         -The President's schedule
               -Medici
                     -Gifts
                           -Photograph
         -Gifts
               -Rose Mary Woods
         -The President's schedule
               -Hewitt's possible role
                     -Peterson
         -Import surcharge
               -Connally’s schedule
         -International Business Machines [IBM]
         -Export-Import [Ex-Im] Bank
               -Loan
               -Director
         -Henry Burns
                                             8

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


               -Schedule
               -McCullough [first name unknown]
          -Foreign aid program
               -Possible continuing resolution
                     -Timing
                          -House of Representatives
                          -Ellender and Michael J. Mansfield
                          -Clark MacGregor's views

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:55 pm and
5:04 pm.

[Conversation No. 612-4F]

[See Conversation No. 13-113]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Foreign aid program
          -Continuing resolution
                -Likelihood of success
                     -The President's view

The President talked with Clark MacGregor between 5:04 pm and 5:08 pm.

[Conversation No. 612-4G]

[See Conversation No. 13-114]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Ellender
          -Home movie
              -Trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
              -MacGregor
                    -Staff meeting

     Foreign aid program
          -Continuing resolution
                -MacGregor
                -John Sherman Cooper
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


                -Amendment
                     -Rogers
     -Cooper's conversation with Kissinger

Robert H. Steele
    -Identity
    -Drug program
           -Armed forces
    -Voting record

Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
     -Scheduling
            -Haig and Kissinger
     -Press conferences
     -Meetings
            -Small groups
     -Nelson A. Rockefeller's previous trip
     -US trade with Latin America
     -Invitations
     -Intentions
     -Continuing resolution
     -Kissinger, State Department
     -Trade
     -Importance
     -The President's schedule
     -Ecuador
            -Request for military sales
                 -Airplanes
                       -F-5s’s
                             -Number
                       -State Department
                 -Peru
                 -[Unintelligible]
                 -French airplanes
                 -Licensing
                 -Public announcement of 1970
                       -Ship seizure
                       -Rogers
                 -Kissinger’s view
                 -Finch’s possible comments
            -Mirage airplanes
                                         10

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


                -Problems
                     -Maintenance
                     -Expense
                     -Training
     -Duration
     -Finch's previous trips
          -Chile, Peru, Ecuador
     -Brazil and Argentina

1971 elections
     -Finch's conversations with Harry S. Dent and Haldeman
     -Results
           -Analysis
                 -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                      -Kentucky
                             -Impact on the public
                 -Black power
                 -Television coverage
                      -Today, Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] news
                             -Kentucky
                                   -The President and his economic policies
                      -Richard G. Lugar
                             -Indianapolis
     -Bond issues
           -Revenue-sharing
     -Pete Wilson, Lugar and Ralph J. Perk
     -Frank L. Rizzo
     -William Thacher Longstreth
     -Television coverage
           -Kentucky
                 -Albert B. (“Happy”) Chandler
                 -Significance
     -Mayors
           -Cleveland
           -Indianapolis
           -San Diego
           -Philadelphia
           -San Francisco
                 -Joseph Alioto
                      -Busing
     -Virginia
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


               -Henry E. Howell, Jr.
          -Rizzo
               -Significance
               -Longstreth's campaign
          -Ohio and Indiana
               -Lugar
          -New Jersey
               -Frank S. Farley
               -Legislature
               -John N. Mitchell
               -Issues
               -William T. Cahill
          -[James] Charles Evers
               -Blacks

Haldeman, Haig and Finch left at 5:20 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Indira Gandhi
                -US-Pakistan relations
                      -Actions
                           -Refugees
                -The President's demeanor
                -East Pakistan
                      -Autonomy
                           -Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
                           -Mujibur Rahman
                                 -Negotiations
                                      -Possible political impact

     Pakistan


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     INDIA-PAKISTAN
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)




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          -The President's forthcoming conversation with Gandhi
               -US-Pakistan relations
                     -Military aid
                           -Suspension
               -Pakistan military deployment
                     -Yahya Khan
                           -Unilateral withdrawal
                                 -Timing
                                 -India’s possible reaction
          -Actions of government
               -List
                     -Civilian government
                     -Constitution
                     -Amnesty
                     -United Nations [UN]
                           -Observers
                           -Relief supplies
          -The President's forthcoming conversation with Gandhi
               -Refugees
                     -Numbers
                           -Dispute
                     -US aid

     The President's schedule
          -Gandhi
               -The President's demeanor
               -Mujibur Rahman
                      -Negotiations
                           -Impact
                           -Meaning

Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 5:20 pm.

     Stock market
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


          -Performance
               -Volume of trading

     National economy
          -Wholesale price index [WPI]
          -Industrial price index
          -Farm, food prices
          -Consumer price index [CPI]
          -Unemployment
          -WPI
                -Price freeze
          -Stock market
                -Arthur F. Burns's statement regarding dividends
                      -Wages
                      -Effect
          -Employment

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 5:31 pm.

     Vietnam
          -Casualties
                -Timing
          -Senate
          -The President's previous meeting with Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends
          -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                -1968 and 1972 elections
                -The President's conversation with Charles W. Colson
                      -Settlement
                            -Failure
                                  -Announcement
                                       -Timing
                      -Possible bombing of North Vietnam
          -Possible bombing of North Vietnam
                -Effect
                      -USSR and People’s Republic of China [PRC] trips
                -Announcement
                -Frequency
          -POWs
          -Negotiations
                -The President's possible statement
                      -Recall of negotiator
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 612-4 (cont.)


                           -Record

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 5:20 pm.

     Message for an unknown person
         -Information from Haldeman

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 5:31 pm.

                      -Seven Points
                           -Le Duc Tho's conversation with Kissinger
                      -Recall of William J. Porter
                      -Warning
                           -POWs

     PRC
           -Messages
               -The President’s conversation with Kissinger, November 2, 1971
               -Timing
                     -UN vote
               -Dwight L. Chapin
               -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters

The President and Kissinger left at 5:31 pm