Conversation: 613-005
Prev: 613-004 Next: 613-006Start Date: 2-Nov-1971 4:40 PM
End Date: 2-Nov-1971 5:24 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.; Kissinger, Henry A.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:27:37
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:09:32
NARA Description:
On November 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Rose Mary Woods, Stephen B. Bull, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:40 pm to 5:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 613-005 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 613-5
Date: November 2, 1971
Time: 4:40 pm - 5:24 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.
Agriculture Department
-J. Philip Campbell
-Trading stock
-Arnold R. Weber's negotiations
-Clifford M. Hardin's replacement
-Possible meeting with the press
-Possible statement on government reorganization
-Farm organizations
Government reorganization
-Department of Agriculture
-Prospects
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Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
-Labor Department
-Titles of Cabinet Secretaries
-Secretary of State
-Term, “Counselor”
-Attorney General
-Postmaster General
-Secretary of Defense
-Department of Community Development
-Secretary of Transportation
-John A. Volpe
Volpe
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Dwight A. Ink
-Ambassadorship to Italy
-Highway interests
-Italian elections
-Emilio Colombo
-William P. Rogers's view
-Timing
-Italian elections
Government reorganization
-Titles of Cabinet Secretaries
-“Counselor to the President”
-Secretary of State
-Administrators
Agriculture Department
-[Clayton Yeutter]
-Meeting with Ehrlichman, November 1, 1971
-Roman L. Hruska
-John N. Mitchell
-Relationship with Carl T. Curtis
Curtis
-Wife
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Bryce N. Harlow
-The President's schedule
Agriculture Department
-Earl L. Butz
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
-[Yeutter]
-Present position
-Department of Agriculture
-Branch
-Compared to Department of Housing and Urban Development
[HUD
-Farm
J. Edgar Hoover
-Princeton University conference
-Call for probe of Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI]
-Joseph Kraft's column, November 2, 1971
-Possible attack on the FBI
-Congress
-Tone of presentation
-Tenure in office
-Possible departure
-Announcement
-Timing
-Ehrlichman's possible conversation with William H. Sullivan
-Sullivan's possible role with the administration
-Mitchell
-The President's possible conversation with Hoover
-1972 campaign
Rose Mary Woods talked with the President at an unknown time between 4:40 pm and 5:13 pm.
[Conversation No. 613-5A]
[See Conversation No. 13-78]
[End of telephone conversation]
Hoover
-Tenure in office
-The President's possible conversation with Hoover
-Transition
-1972 campaign
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Mitchell
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
Pentagon Papers
-White House response
-John G. Tower
-Government of South Vietnam
-W[illiam] Averell Harriman
-Ngo Dinh Diem
- Lt. Gen. Duong Van (“Big Minh”) Minh
-Roger Hilsman
-Dean Rusk
-Robert S. McNamara
-Henry Cabot Lodge
-Coup
-Diem
-Successor
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] Station Chief
-State Department
-Defense Department
-CIA
-Richard M. Helms
-John A. McCone
-William E. Colby
-Agency for International Development [AID]
-Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
-Son, Jonathan Colby
-Tricia Nixon Cox's wedding
-Princeton University
-Meeting with Ehrlichman in Vietnam
-George P. Shultz
-Schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
Hoover
-Mitchell's call to Ehrlichman
-Trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
Agriculture Department
-Harlow
-Conversation with John C. Whitaker
Government reorganization
-Titles
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
-Agriculture Department
-Hardin's replacement
-Volpe
-George W. Romney
-Rogers C. B. Morton
Richard H. Poff
-Bill [Surname unknown]
-John L. McClellan
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:40 pm.
Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:13 pm.
Value Added Tax [VAT]
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Shultz
-Possible rate
-Budget
-Shultz's view
-Domestic initiative
Domestic program
-Revenue sharing
-Environment
-Government reorganization
-Congress
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-John F. Kennedy
Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:40 pm.
The President's schedule
-Kissinger
-Ronald L. Ziegler
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:13 pm.
VAT
-Preparation
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
-Michigan
Daniel Ellsberg
-Andrew Coyne's article
-News summary
-Indiana University
-CIA psychoanalysis
Busing
-Possible constitutional amendment
-Pending Congressional vote
-South
-Democrats
-Amendment on higher education bill
-Edward L. Morgan's group's activities
-Louis P. Harris poll
-Domestic Council
-Possible constitutional amendment
-Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey, Edward M. Kennedy and Jackson
-Morgan
-Philip A. Hart
-Recall petition
Frank F. Church
-Recall petition
Hart
-Recall petition
-Robert P. Griffin
Busing
-Blacks' view
-Popular opinion
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 54s ]
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-Views of Daniel P. Moynihan's friend from Johns Hopkins University
Race relations
Kissinger entered at 5:13 pm.
-Universities
-Black studies
-Impact
-University of Washington
-Quotas
-White man's suit
-Judge's ruling
The President's forthcoming meeting with Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends
-Kissinger's conversation with Clark MacGregor
-Vietnam
Ehrlichman left at 5:20 pm.
-Troop withdrawal
-Deadline
-Handling
-Advance talk
Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:20 pm.
The President's schedule
-Ford and Arends
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:24 pm.
The President's forthcoming meeting with Ford and Arends
-Vietnam
-Troop withdrawal
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Conv. No. 613-5 (cont.)
-Deadline
-Kissinger's schedule
-MacGregor
-Foreign aid
-H. R. Haldeman
-Kissinger's conversation with MacGregor
-Kissinger’s role
-Vietnam
-Negotiations
-North Vietnamese Foreign Minister's article
-Political situation in House of Representatives
-Public feeling
-Votes
-MacGregor
Kissinger left at 5:24 pm.