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Start Date: 5-Nov-1971 9:27 AM

End Date: 5-Nov-1971 10:04 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:41:18

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:22:59

615a.mp3

615b.mp3

615c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:27 am to 10:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 615-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 615-8

Date: November 5, 1971
Time: 9:23 am - 10:04 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     Ehrlichman’s schedule
           -Lodging

The President talked with Edward V. Regan between 9:24 am and 9:28 am.
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                                                                      Conv. No. 615-7 (cont.)


[Conversation No. 615-8A]

[See Conversation No. 13-148; three items have been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Ehrlichman's schedule
           -New York County Executives
               -John V. N. Klein
                     -Suffolk County

     County Executives
         -Ehrlichman's conversation with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, November 4, 1971
               -Conference

     Forthcoming corn deal with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
          -Charles W. Colson's efforts

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:28 am.

     Full name of Suffolk County Executive Klein

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:48 am.

     Forthcoming corn deal with USSR
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Chicago
                -Backgrounder
                     -Farm editors
                     -Colson
          -Colson's possible statement
                -The President's efforts
          -Announcement
                -Kissinger's view
                     -USSR
                     -Jordan
                     -Berlin
          -Briefing of Midwest farm editors
                -Timing
                     -Chicago dinner
                -Kissinger
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                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


     -Corn prices
          -Farmers' concerns
          -Clayton K. Yeutter's comments
                -Speculation

Dock strike
    -Administration handling
           -George P. Shultz
           -Taft-Hartley injunction

National economy
     -Possible re-imposition of freeze
           -Teachers

Busing
     -Possible constitutional amendment
          -Visibility
          -Neighborhood schools
          -Draft
          -John N. Mitchell
     -Congressional votes, November 4, 1971
          -Count
          -Lists
                -Democrats
                -Harry S. Dent
                -Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
                -Republican candidates
     -As an issue
          -Compared to communism in 1950
                -The President’s actions
          -Joseph Alioto
     -Votes, November 4, 1971
          -John Conyers, Jr. and Augustus F. Hawkins
          -New York blacks
          -Clarence M. Mitchell, Jr.
                -National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]
          -Future of legislation
                -Senate

Office of Economic Opportunity
     -Possible veto
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                                Tape Subject Log
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                                                               Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


          -Child development
               -Legal services
               -Jacob K. Javits's calls to Ehrlichman
               -Elliot L. Richardson's public statements
               -Ronald L. Ziegler's possible statement
               -Patrick J. Buchanan's memorandum

School prayer
    -The President's possible statement
          -The President’s record
    -Pending legislation
          -Church groups' views
               -Supreme Court

Secretary of Agriculture
     -Earl L. Butz
           -Name
     -Ehrlichman's conversation with John C. Whitaker, November 5, 1971
           -Forthcoming memorandum
           -Whitaker's forthcoming conversation with Bryce N. Harlow
                 -John H. Kyl
                 -Butz’s name
     -Ehrlichman's lunch with Harlow, November 4, 1971
           -Butz
                 -Advantages
                 -Disadvantages
                       -Name
                       -Background
                            -Ezra Taft Benson
                 -Benson
     -Harlow
           -Background
                 -The President’s farm advisor
           -Role with Procter and Gamble
                 -Phosphates and detergents
           -Neil H. McElroy
           -Possible role with administration
                 -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation
                 -Tenure
                 -Confirmation
     -Butz
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                                   Tape Subject Log
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                                                                    Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


         -Kyl
               -Compared to William J. Scherle
         -Butz
         -[Yeutter]
               -Harlow's and Ehrlichman's possible conversation with Roman L. Hruska
                    -Carl T. Curtis
               -Age of Cabinet officers
         -Harlow
         -[Yeutter]
               -Possible resignations
                    -Clarence D. Palmby
                    -Richard E. Lyng
                    -[J. Philip Campbell]


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 39s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    John J. Sparkman


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 55s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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                                                                      Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)



     Magazines
         -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis's schedule
         -Time-Life
               -Andrew Heiskell
                    -Alger Hiss
               -Henry A. Grunwald
               -National affairs editors
                    -Ehrlichman's schedule
                    -Kissinger's schedule
                    -Grunwald
               -Heiskell
                    -Background
                    -Relationship with John W. Gardner
               -Hedley W. Donovan

Bull entered at 9:48 am.

     The President's call to Klein
          -Location
               -Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

Bull left at 9:48 am.

The President talked with Klein between 9:48 pm and 9:50 am.

[Conversation No. 615-8B]

[See Conversation No. 13-149; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Shultz

     Winton M. (“Red”) Blount

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.

     The President's calls
          -[Regan and Klein]
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                                                                      Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


          -Joseph M. Margiotta
               -Nassau County


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Privacy]
[Duration: 25s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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     The President's schedule
          -Rogers
          -Burns

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

Shultz entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.

     Tax Bill
          -Senate Finance Committee
          -The President's conversation with Russell B. Long
          -Amendment
               -Balance of trade emergency
               -Import quotas, surcharge
               -Charls E. Walker
                     -The President's meeting with John B. Connally and Wallace F. Bennett
               -Locus of authority

Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.

     Margiotta
         -Possible call

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.
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                                Tape Subject Log
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                                                                 Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


National economy
     -Pay Board
           -House vote
                 -Colson
                 -Shultz's conversation with Arnold R. Weber, November 4, 1971
     -Possible re-imposition of freeze
           -Duration
           -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
                 -Teachers
                 -Retroactivity
           -Re-evaluation
           -George Meany
     -Pay Board
           -Labor settlements
                 -Coal
                 -Labor
           -Possible management strategy
                 -1972
           -Wage guideline
                 -Leonard Woodcock's view
                 -Possible figures
     -Possible Administration action
           -1972
     -Tax Bill
           -Import surcharge amendment
                 -Possible political effect
                       -Connally
                       -White House
                             -1972
                 -Shultz's forthcoming call to Connally
                       -Connally’s schedule
                             -Jakarta, Indonesia
                 -Locus of authority
                       -Treasury Department
                 -Votes
                       -Protectionism
                 -Ziegler's possible statement
                 -Connally's possible reaction
                 -Shultz's forthcoming call to Connally
                       -Merits of bill
                             -Quotas
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)


                            -Politics
                            -Free trade
                                  -Connally
           -Program
                -The President, Connally, Shultz
                -Connally
                     -Japan
           -Pay Board
                -Meany's schedule
                     -Florida
                -The President's role
                -Possible re-imposition of freeze
           -Money supply
                -The President’s letter to Burns
                -The President's conversation with Burns
                     -Indira Gandhi Dinner
                -The President's letter to Burns
                     -Significance
                -Shultz's conversation with Milton Friedman
                     -1960
                -Possible calls to Burns
                     -Friedman
                            -Article
                     -Shultz, Colson and Peter M. Flanigan
                     -Gabriel Hauge
           -Calvin Bullock Forum
                -Labor
                -Shultz's speech, November 4, 1971
                     -Pay Board
                     -Inflation
                     -Expansion
                -Skepticism
                     -Wall Street
           -Unemployment

The President and Shultz left at 10:04 am.
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