Conversation: 615-008
Prev: 615-007 Next: 615-009Start Date: 5-Nov-1971 9:27 AM
End Date: 5-Nov-1971 10:04 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:41:18
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:22:59
NARA Description:
On November 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:27 am to 10:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 615-008 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 615-8
Date: November 5, 1971
Time: 9:23 am - 10:04 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Lodging
The President talked with Edward V. Regan between 9:24 am and 9:28 am.
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Conv. No. 615-7 (cont.)
[Conversation No. 615-8A]
[See Conversation No. 13-148; three items have been withdrawn from the conversation]
[End of telephone conversation]
Ehrlichman's schedule
-New York County Executives
-John V. N. Klein
-Suffolk County
County Executives
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, November 4, 1971
-Conference
Forthcoming corn deal with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Charles W. Colson's efforts
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:28 am.
Full name of Suffolk County Executive Klein
Bull left at an unknown time before 9:48 am.
Forthcoming corn deal with USSR
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Chicago
-Backgrounder
-Farm editors
-Colson
-Colson's possible statement
-The President's efforts
-Announcement
-Kissinger's view
-USSR
-Jordan
-Berlin
-Briefing of Midwest farm editors
-Timing
-Chicago dinner
-Kissinger
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
-Corn prices
-Farmers' concerns
-Clayton K. Yeutter's comments
-Speculation
Dock strike
-Administration handling
-George P. Shultz
-Taft-Hartley injunction
National economy
-Possible re-imposition of freeze
-Teachers
Busing
-Possible constitutional amendment
-Visibility
-Neighborhood schools
-Draft
-John N. Mitchell
-Congressional votes, November 4, 1971
-Count
-Lists
-Democrats
-Harry S. Dent
-Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
-Republican candidates
-As an issue
-Compared to communism in 1950
-The President’s actions
-Joseph Alioto
-Votes, November 4, 1971
-John Conyers, Jr. and Augustus F. Hawkins
-New York blacks
-Clarence M. Mitchell, Jr.
-National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]
-Future of legislation
-Senate
Office of Economic Opportunity
-Possible veto
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
-Child development
-Legal services
-Jacob K. Javits's calls to Ehrlichman
-Elliot L. Richardson's public statements
-Ronald L. Ziegler's possible statement
-Patrick J. Buchanan's memorandum
School prayer
-The President's possible statement
-The President’s record
-Pending legislation
-Church groups' views
-Supreme Court
Secretary of Agriculture
-Earl L. Butz
-Name
-Ehrlichman's conversation with John C. Whitaker, November 5, 1971
-Forthcoming memorandum
-Whitaker's forthcoming conversation with Bryce N. Harlow
-John H. Kyl
-Butz’s name
-Ehrlichman's lunch with Harlow, November 4, 1971
-Butz
-Advantages
-Disadvantages
-Name
-Background
-Ezra Taft Benson
-Benson
-Harlow
-Background
-The President’s farm advisor
-Role with Procter and Gamble
-Phosphates and detergents
-Neil H. McElroy
-Possible role with administration
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation
-Tenure
-Confirmation
-Butz
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Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
-Kyl
-Compared to William J. Scherle
-Butz
-[Yeutter]
-Harlow's and Ehrlichman's possible conversation with Roman L. Hruska
-Carl T. Curtis
-Age of Cabinet officers
-Harlow
-[Yeutter]
-Possible resignations
-Clarence D. Palmby
-Richard E. Lyng
-[J. Philip Campbell]
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 39s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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John J. Sparkman
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 55s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
Magazines
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis's schedule
-Time-Life
-Andrew Heiskell
-Alger Hiss
-Henry A. Grunwald
-National affairs editors
-Ehrlichman's schedule
-Kissinger's schedule
-Grunwald
-Heiskell
-Background
-Relationship with John W. Gardner
-Hedley W. Donovan
Bull entered at 9:48 am.
The President's call to Klein
-Location
-Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
Bull left at 9:48 am.
The President talked with Klein between 9:48 pm and 9:50 am.
[Conversation No. 615-8B]
[See Conversation No. 13-149; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]
[End of telephone conversation]
The President's schedule
-Shultz
Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.
The President's calls
-[Regan and Klein]
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
-Joseph M. Margiotta
-Nassau County
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Privacy]
[Duration: 25s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
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The President's schedule
-Rogers
-Burns
Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.
Shultz entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.
Tax Bill
-Senate Finance Committee
-The President's conversation with Russell B. Long
-Amendment
-Balance of trade emergency
-Import quotas, surcharge
-Charls E. Walker
-The President's meeting with John B. Connally and Wallace F. Bennett
-Locus of authority
Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 9:50 am.
Margiotta
-Possible call
Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
National economy
-Pay Board
-House vote
-Colson
-Shultz's conversation with Arnold R. Weber, November 4, 1971
-Possible re-imposition of freeze
-Duration
-Cost of Living Council [COLC]
-Teachers
-Retroactivity
-Re-evaluation
-George Meany
-Pay Board
-Labor settlements
-Coal
-Labor
-Possible management strategy
-1972
-Wage guideline
-Leonard Woodcock's view
-Possible figures
-Possible Administration action
-1972
-Tax Bill
-Import surcharge amendment
-Possible political effect
-Connally
-White House
-1972
-Shultz's forthcoming call to Connally
-Connally’s schedule
-Jakarta, Indonesia
-Locus of authority
-Treasury Department
-Votes
-Protectionism
-Ziegler's possible statement
-Connally's possible reaction
-Shultz's forthcoming call to Connally
-Merits of bill
-Quotas
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 615-8 (cont.)
-Politics
-Free trade
-Connally
-Program
-The President, Connally, Shultz
-Connally
-Japan
-Pay Board
-Meany's schedule
-Florida
-The President's role
-Possible re-imposition of freeze
-Money supply
-The President’s letter to Burns
-The President's conversation with Burns
-Indira Gandhi Dinner
-The President's letter to Burns
-Significance
-Shultz's conversation with Milton Friedman
-1960
-Possible calls to Burns
-Friedman
-Article
-Shultz, Colson and Peter M. Flanigan
-Gabriel Hauge
-Calvin Bullock Forum
-Labor
-Shultz's speech, November 4, 1971
-Pay Board
-Inflation
-Expansion
-Skepticism
-Wall Street
-Unemployment
The President and Shultz left at 10:04 am.
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