Conversation: 616-010
Prev: 616-009 Next: 616-011Start Date: 10-Nov-1971 5:17 PM
End Date: 10-Nov-1971 6:39 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Curtis, Carl T.; MacGregor, Clark;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:30:03
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:52:32
NARA Description:
On November 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Carl T. Curtis, and Clark MacGregor met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:17 pm to 6:39 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 616-010 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 616-10
Date: November 10, 1971
Time: 5:17 pm - 6:39 pm
Location: Oval Office
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-9 (cont.)
The President met with Carl T. Curtis and Clark MacGregor; the White House photographer was
present at the beginning of the meeting.
University of Nebraska football team
-Go Big Red
-Note from authors
-The President's possible attendance at a game
Photograph session
-Arrangements
-Book
-Distribution
-Omaha World-Herald
Agriculture
-Grain sale to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Press reaction
-Announcement
-Farmers' reaction
-Senate Committee
-Bill regarding strategic reserve
-Support loans
-Michael J. Mansfield and Hubert H. Humphrey
-Corn prices
-Level in Nebraska
-Support loans
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:17 pm.
The President's schedule
-Richard Wilson
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.
Agriculture
-Corn prices
-Support loans
-Curtis’s letter to the President
-Strategic Reserve Bill
-MacGregor's schedule
-John H. Kyl
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Wiley Mayne
-US Department of Agriculture [USDA]
-Possible announcement
-Purchase of corn
-Necessity
-Dairy industry
-Corn prices
-Clifford M. Hardin's view
-USDA program for 1972
-Support loans
-Curtis's meeting with Hardin and Clarence D. Palmby
-Nebraska
-Irrigation
-Wheat and corn
-Strategic reserve
-Possible veto
-Grain sales to USSR
-MacGregor's conversation with John B. Connally
-Possible level of purchase
-Possible effect on corn prices
-Iowa, Nebraska
-Possible legislative effect
-Strategic Reserve Bill
-Strategic Reserve Bill
-Milton R. Young's view
-Democrats' strategy
-Carl B. Albert's conversation with William M. Colmer
-Senate
-Corn
-Supplies
-Blight
-Volume of production
-USDA
-Strategic Reserve Bill
-Timing
-Curtis's conversation with Dick Long [?]
-Corn reserves
-MacGregor’s conversation with an unknown banker
-Congress's schedule
-MacGregor's schedule
-John C. Whitaker
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Palmby and Hardin
-Possible cost
-Symbolism
-Possible cost
-MacGregor
-Contacts with Curtis
-Curtis’s role
-Discussion with the President
-Price of corn
-Grain sales to USSR
-MacGregor’s view
-John D. Ehrlichman's view
-Price of corn
-Farmer psychology
-Curtis's role
-Jack R. Miller
-Young
-Secretary of Agriculture
-Hardin
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
[Duration: 15s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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-Job offer
-Ralston Purina Company
-Popularity
-Ezra Taft Benson
-Orville L. Freeman
-1972 election
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Privacy]
[Duration: 8s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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-Louie B. Nunn
-John N. Mitchell
-Background
-[Kentucky]
-Tobacco
-Horses
-Possible perception by farmers
-Requirements
-MacGregor
-Political skills
-Search for candidates
Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:17 pm.
Wilson’s arrival
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.
-Curtis's call to William E. Galbraith
-Galbraith's secretary
-Hardin
-Rumors
-Page Belcher's call to MacGregor
-Hardin
-Tenure
-Press reports
-Ronald L. Ziegler's statement to press
Burkett Van Kerr [sp?]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Conversation with MacGregor
Don Bryant
Curtis's staff
-Presentation of gifts by the President
Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:17 pm.
A bag
Envelope
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.
University of Nebraska football games
-Curtis's conversation with Phyllis Devaney
-University of Oklahoma
-University of Colorado
-Devaney
-Robert S. Devaney
-University of Oklahoma
-Greg Pruitt
Notre Dame
Curtis left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.
Agriculture
-Corn prices and strategic reserve
-Pending legislation
Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:17 pm.
The President's schedule
-Wilson
-Alexander P. Butterfield
-W. Kenneth Riland
-Charles W. Colson
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
Camp David
-MacGregor and wife
Wilson entered at 5:50 pm.
Dinner, November 9, 1971
MacGregor left at 5:50 pm.
Refreshments
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 15s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:50 pm.
-Soft drinks
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:37 pm.
Wilson's book on Nixon administration
-Contents
-Chapters
-Time span
-Scope
-The President’s initiatives
-Supreme Court
-Unknown speech
-Rose Mary Woods
-John N. Mitchell
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-The President's programs
-Domestic
-Foreign
-Vietnam
-Possible publication date
-Forthcoming trips to USSR and People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Significance
-Foreign aid program
-Recent Senate vote
-Vietnam
-Objectives
-Forthcoming summit trips
-Peace
-Time frame
-Winston S. Churchill
PRC
-Economic power
-Compared to Japan
-Nuclear power
-Prospects
The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
-Pragmatism
The President
PRC
-Prospects
-Isolation
Summit trips
-Possible accomplishment
-Mutual self-interest
US foreign relations
-Balance of payments
-Surcharges
-Protectionism
-European Economic Community
-USSR, PRC and Japan
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Competition
-Burden sharing
The President's domestic policy
-Economy
-Indicators
-The President's previous conversation with Curtis
-Corn prices
-Inefficiency
-Phase II
-Inflation
-Freedom
-Unemployment
-Federal spending
-Defense
-New economic program
-Tax incentives
-Job Development credit
-Modernization of industrial plants
-Japan and Germany
-USSR
-Analogy to San Francisco earthquake of 1906
-US physical plant
-Inefficiency
-Business and labor practices
-Competitiveness
-Competition
-Jobs
-Exports
-Value
-Percentage of total economy
-Exports
Isolationism
-US postwar burdens
-Korea
-Foreign aid
-Vietnam
-Possible consequences
-US role in world
-The President's speech in Chicago, November 9, 1971
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Power vacuum
-Effect on national security
-Long-term effect on American spirit
-Space program
-Supersonic transport [SST]
National economy
-Business
-Competitiveness
-Vietnam War
-Reliance on government
-Labor
Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:50 pm.
The President's schedule
Bull left at an unknown time before 6:37 pm.
The President's domestic policy
-Government reorganization
-Institutional obsolescence
-Cabinet
-Meetings
-Welfare reform
-Revenue-sharing
-Health reform
-Compared to socialized medicine
-Great Britain
-Education
-Environment
-National growth
-The President's 1969 State of the Union speech
-Competitiveness of American industry
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] techniques
-Applied industrial research
-Jobs for Peace Program
-Tax reform
-Previous bill
-Goal
-Relief
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Applied research
-Japan and West Germany
-Peter G. Peterson's and Ehrlichman's efforts
-Competitiveness of US business
-Problems of the American spirit
-Wilson's previous writings
-US role in world
-Sense of mission
-War
-Trip to moon
-Environment
-Competitiveness
-Leadership
-Military power
-Compared to USSR
-Long range missiles
-Welfare reform
-Family Assistance Plan
-Shift to work requirement
-Dignity of work
-Protestant ethic
-The President’s Labor Day speech of September 6, 1971
-1970
-Election
-Economy
-Foreign affairs
Vietnam
-Cambodian incursion
-Demonstrations
-Incursions into Cambodia and Laos
-Effect on casualties
Politics
-1970 elections
-Results
-Competitive value
The President's domestic policy
-1970 election
-Aftermath
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
-Revenue sharing
-“New American Revolution”
-Government reorganization
-Revenue-sharing
-Health, education and environment
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Actions of previous administrations
-Role of politics
The President's foreign policy
-The President's role in formulation
-Advice of staff
-Upcoming PRC and USSR trips
-Glassboro, New Hampshire meetings of 1967
-Nuclear weapons
-Parity
-USSR
-Policy alternatives
-PRC
-The President’s 1967 foreign affairs article
-Timing of initiatives
-USSR
-PRC
-Preparation for trips
-The President's vice presidential trips
-The President's previous meetings
-Nikita S. Khrushchev
-Nicolae Ceausescu
-Josip Broz Tito
-Forthcoming trip to PRC
-Timing
-Trip to USSR
Unknown matter
-Date
Hardin
-Tenure in office
Wilson's forthcoming book
-Attribution
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 616-10 (cont.)
Wilson's possible columns
-The President's comments
-Attribution
-Discretion
-Domestic programs
Wilson left and Butterfield entered at 6:37 pm.
[Material for signing]
Sanchez
-Delivery of items
Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 6:37 pm.
The President’s gratitude
The President, Butterfield and Sanchez left at 6:39 pm.