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Start Date: 12-Nov-1971 4:29 PM

End Date: 12-Nov-1971 4:54 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.MacGregor, ClarkZiegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:04:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:29:48

617a.mp3

617b.mp3

617c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, Clark MacGregor, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:29 pm and 4:54 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 617-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 617-5

Date: November 12, 1971
Time: Unknown between 4:29 pm and 4:54 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger and Clark MacGregor.
[The recording began at an unknown time while the meeting was in progress]

     Vietnam
          -The President's troop withdrawal announcement of November 12, 1971
               -Peter Lisagor's reaction
               -Press questions
                     -Amnesty
                                        3

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 617-5 (cont.)


                       -The President's responses
          -Troop withdrawals
                -Melvin R. Laird's recommendation
                -Press projections
                -Infiltration
                -Bombing
                -Reactions
                       -"Doves"
                             -Timing
                       -The President's concern for prisoners of war [POWs]
          -MacGregor's calls
                -Michael J. Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford and Robert P. Griffin
                       -Projections
                       -Vietnamization
                             -Troop withdrawals
                                  -Levels
     -POWs
     -The President's recent troop withdrawal announcement
          -Possible North Vietnamese reaction
          -Withdrawal rate
                -Forthcoming announcement
                       -Timing
          -Press questions
          -Percentage of reduction
          -Shelley's A. (Scarney) Buchanan conversation with MacGregor
                -MacGregor's call to Carl B. Albert
          -Press questions
                -Stock market
                       -War prosperity
                -Helen Thomas
                       -Mrs. Cornell
          -Television
          -Stock market question

The President's press conferences
     -Effectiveness
     -September 16, 1971
     -October 12, 1971
          -Forthcoming trip to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
     -Format
          -Television
                                              4

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 617-5 (cont.)


          -November 12, 1971
              -Announcement
              -The President's responses to questions

     Vietnam
          -Amnesty
               -POWs
               -Abraham Lincoln
               -Franklin D. Roosevelt
               -Draft
               -Eugene J. McCarthy's view
               -POW wives
               -Veterans
               -Barry M. Goldwater's possible statement
               -Veterans
                     -Deaths in combat
               -World War II and Korean Conflict
                     -Casualties
          -The President's recent troop withdrawal announcement
               -MacGregor's forthcoming phone calls
                     -Final announcement
                     -POWs
               -Ford's reaction
               -Laird's possible reaction

MacGregor left at 4:35 pm.

               -Kissinger's call to Laird
                      -Laird's location
                      -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.'s message for Robert E. Pursley
                            -Pursley's reaction
                                  -National security
                                        -Withdrawal rate
               -Press conferences
               -Infiltration rate
                      -North Vietnamese possible reaction
                      -POWs
                      -Tet offensive
          -Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
          -Recent troop withdrawal announcement
               -Possible settlement
                                               5

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 617-5 (cont.)


                      -Aid
                      -People's Republic of China [PRC]
                 -Cambodia
                      -John F. Kennedy
                      -Nixon Doctrine
                      -Lyndon B. Johnson
                 -Effectiveness
                 -Bombing passes
                      -North Vietnam
                      -Laos

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 4:47 pm.

                 -Press reaction

Haldeman left at 4:48 pm.

     Daniel L. Schorr
          -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] investigation
                -Ziegler's forthcoming statement
                      -Personnel practices

     Vietnam
          -The President's previous troop withdrawal announcement
               -Mrs. Cornell [Thomas] statement
               -Amnesty

     Forthcoming National Security Council [NSC] meeting
          -Photographs

Ziegler left at 4:50 pm.

           -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                 -Gerard C. Smith
                 -Timing
                      -Forthcoming Summit with the USSR

     US relations with the USSR
          -SALT negotiations
                -Anti-Ballistic Missiles [ABM]
                     -Sites
                                               6

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 617-5 (cont.)


                            -Populations
                      -Alternatives
                            -One to one
                            -Capitals
                                 -Missile fields
                 -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                 -Submarines
                      -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
                      -Directive
                 -Forthcoming NSC meeting
                      -Agenda
                            -Kissinger
                            -Smith and William P. Rogers
                      -Forthcoming ABM talks
                      -John J. McCloy

     The President's previous press conference
          -Forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
          -John A. Scali's suggestion
               -Possible backgrounder by Kissinger

     McCloy

Kissinger left at 4:54 pm.