Conversation: 620-012
Prev: 620-011 Next: 620-013Start Date: 17-Nov-1971 11:06 AM
End Date: 17-Nov-1971 12:30 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Reagan, Ronald W.; Bull, Stephen B.; Mitchell, John N.; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:16:21
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:41:40
NARA Description:
On November 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald W. Reagan, Stephen B. Bull, John N. Mitchell, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:06 am to 12:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 620-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 620-12
Date: November 17, 1971
Time: 11:06 am - 12:30 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Ronald W. Reagan; Stephen B. Bull and members of the press were
present at the beginning of the meeting.
Reagan's schedule
-Henry A. Kissinger
-John N. Mitchell
Photographs
Mitchell
Bull and the press left at an unknown time before 11:09 am.
Leaves
Reagan’s Far East trip
-Chiang Kai-Shek
-Konrad Adenauer
Mitchell and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. entered at 11:09 am.
Reagan's previous conversation with Kissinger
Reagan's trip
-Meeting with Chiang
-The President's forthcoming trip to People's Republic of China [PRC]
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Conv. No. 620-12 (cont.)
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Military deployment
-US Senators
-Political considerations
-Hubert H. Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie, Edward M. Kennedy and
Henry M. Jackson
-Thailand, Taiwan, Republic of China
Thailand
-Coup
-Thanom Kittikachorn
-US interests
Reagan's trip
-Meeting with Chiang
-Tone
-Politics
-Trade
-US treaty commitments
-Meeting with Vice President of Taiwan, Republic of China
-Chiang's call to Trade Minister
-Meeting with Vice President of Taiwan
-Meeting with Chiang and (Madame) Chiang Mayling Soong
-Nancy Reagan
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-Taiwanese soldiers
-Esprit de Corps
-Compared to Americans
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-The President's visit in 1967
-Madame Chiang
-Letters
-Health
-Meeting with Chiang
-US treaty commitments
-The President's forthcoming visit to PRC
-Purpose
-Singapore
-Industrial Park
-Japan
-Competition with US
-Construction
-Contracts
-US anti-trust laws
-Peter G. Peterson
-Subsidies
-Government role
Supreme Court
-Decisions
-Nominations
-Unknown judge
-Senate
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Meeting with the President, November 16, 1971
-Amchitka
Amchitka
-Public mail
-Sierra Club
-Environmentalists
-Supreme Court decision
-The President's possible action
-National security
-The President's conversation with Kissinger
-Testing
-The President's statement at dinner
Supreme Court
-William H. Rehnquist and Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
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-William J. Brennan, Jr., Thurgood Marshall and William O. Douglas
United States anti-trust laws
-Study committee
Singapore
-Chinese
Reagan's trip
-Singapore
-Dinner
-Embassy
-Public housing
-Reagan’s speech
-Compared to suburbia
-Private ownership
-Financing for ownership
-Government role
Public housing
-Value of ownership
-Example
-Nelson A. Rockefeller's co-op program
-George W. Romney
-Miami
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
-Inhabitants
-Press
-Comparison
-Pruitt-Igoe
-St. Louis
Reagan's trip
-Singapore
-Lee Kuan Yew
-Bangkok
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THAILAND
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-Insurgency
-Morale
-Textiles
-Quota
-Export
-Reagan’s effort
-Demonstration
-Rubber
-Public Law 480 Aid
-Matching funds
-The President's possible notes regarding forthcoming visit to PRC
-Thailand
-Lee Kwan Yew
-Treaty
-Korea
-Textiles
-Park Chung Hee
Foreign aid
-Senators' views
-Humanitarian aid
-Military aid
-Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand
-Stennis Amendment
-California Senators
-Arizona Senators
-Senators' views
-Vietnam
-Turkey and Greece
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-Isolationism
-Foreign military aid
-Vietnam
-Korea
-US troops
-Military capability
-Park
-The President’s forthcoming letter
Reagan's trip
-Korea
-Meeting with Park
-Taiwan
-United Nations [UN] vote
-Student riots
-Berkeley, California
-Use of troops
-Draft
-Gen. Sese Seko Mobutu
US students
-Berkeley
-City Council’s policy regarding deserters
-US attorney
-Statement
Amnesty
-The President's press conference of November 12, 1971
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Choices
-Executive clemency
-1972 Democratic platform
-Development of administration policy
-News summary
Reagan's trip
-Japan
-Eisaku Sato
-Views regarding US economic policy
-Visits to PRC
-Unknown businessman
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-North Korea
-Takeo Fukuda and Sato
-Conversations with Reagan
-North Korea
-Taiwan
-Albanian resolution in UN
-South Korea
-US military presence in South Korea
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TAIWAN
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-International monetary policy
-Fukuda
-Conversation with Edward R.G. Heath
-Bet
-South Korea
-Japanese constitution
-Okinawa
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JAPAN
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Haig left at 11:45 am.
Plan
-Unknown person
Reagan’s trip
-Saigon
-Food
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Reagan's statements
-Trade
-California
-US treaty commitments
-UN vote on Taiwan
-Chiang Kai Shek
Asia
-Rimland
-Population
-Governments
-Japan
-Indonesia
-Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan
-Importance
Reagan's trip
-US Ambassador to Singapore [Charles T. Cross]
-Saigon
-Trade mission
-Previous experience
-Dinner for Reagan
-Age
-US Ambassadors to Taiwan and Japan, Walter P. McConaughy and Armin H. Meyer
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Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 620-12 (cont.)
-US Abassador to Korea, Philip C. Habib
Experimental welfare program
-Reagan's negotiations with Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Analogy
-Screen Actors Guild
-Numbers of people and regions affected
-Counties
-Duration of agreement
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Numbers of people affected
-Phase-in procedures
-Reagan's conversation with James M. Hall in California
-HEW's agreement with New York
-Differences between California and New York
-Reagan's programs
-Reagan’s public speaking
-Reporters actions
-Articles
-Effect on numbers on welfare rolls
-Mitchell’s schedule
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Richardson
-HEW
-Deal with New York
-Duration of agreement with California
-Numbers involved
-Reagan's negotiations with HEW
-Los Angeles, San Bernardino, Riverside and Orange
Counties
-Law on public service employees
-Reagan’s conversation with Richardson
-Bureaucracy
-Illinois, New York, California
-Richard B. Ogilvie's conversation with Reagan
-Tokenism
-Rockefeller
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Welfare
-Charles H. Percy's amendment
-Possible reform
-Francis W. Sargent's wire to Reagan
-Wires to John V. Tunney and Alan Cranston
-The Administration’s position
Percy
-Comments at dinner
-The President’s legislative program
-Reagan's comments
-Legislative record
-Foreign policy
-Vietnam
-Cooper-Church Amendment
-Mansfield Amendment
-Reagan’s comments
-Statement regarding the President's foreign policy
-Leslie C. Arends's views
Child care centers
-Walter F. Mondale Bill
-Possible veto
-Provisions
-Tax package
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Possible wire
-Purpose
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-Functions
-World War II
-Women volunteers
-"Rosie the Rivetter"
-Catholic Church
The President’s schedule
-Lunch
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Republican support for the President
-Reagan's conversation with Kissinger
-UN vote on Taiwan
-State Department
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Taiwan
-National defense
-Anti-ballistic missiles [ABM]
-Liberals
-Amchitka
-Budget
-Cambodia, Laos, unilateral withdrawal from Asia
-The Presidency
-National defense
-Reagan's efforts
-John F. Kennedy
-Cuban Missile Crises
-Missile Gap
-1960 campaign
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 620-12 (cont.)
-ABM
-Eisenhower years
-Possible briefings by the President
-Possible attacks on liberals
-Possible briefings
-Congressional leaders
-Size
-Kissinger
-Schedule
-Cincinnati
-Reagan's conversation with unknown publisher
-Possible Democratic candidates in 1972
-Editorial
-The President’s forthcoming trip to PRC
-Democrats
-Relations with Reagan
-James L. Buckley
-New York, Texas
-William F. Buckley
The President’s schedule
-Reagan’s schedule
National security
-The President's difficulties with Congress
-US role in world
-ABM
-USAir Force
-Navy
-Minuteman fields
-US foreign policy initiatives
-Japan and West Germany
-USSR
-Armaments
-Compared to US
-Missile, airplanes, submarines
-Multiple Independently Targeted Re-entry Vehicles [MIRV]
-Support
-Negotiations with USSR and PRC
-Possible military build up
-Offensive weapons
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Tape Subject Log
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Conv. No. 620-12 (cont.)
-The President's difficulties with Congress
-ABM vote
-Agnew
-Possible issue in 1972 campaign
-Jackson
-American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations
[AFL-CIO] endorsement
-Nomination
-Humphrey, Muskie and Edward M. Kennedy
-Voting records
-ABM
-Environment, ghettoes, child care centers
-Jackson
-Negotiations
-Federal budget
-California
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
Stephen B. Bull entered at 12:30 pm.
Reagan's schedule
-Press room
The President et al left at 12:30 pm.