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Conversation: 623-003

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Start Date: 23-Nov-1971 10:01 AM

End Date: 23-Nov-1971 11:40 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.[Unknown person(s)]Connally, John B.Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:41:33

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:21:09

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NARA Description:

On November 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), John B. Connally, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:01 am to 11:40 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 623-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 623-3

Date: November 23, 1971
Time: 10:01 am - 11:40 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     The President's schedule
          -John B. Connally

     Pending legislation
          -Tax Bill
               -Check-off provision

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:01 am.

     Request that Connally be asked to join them

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

     Pending legislation
          -Tax Bill
               -Ziegler's previous breakfast with William E. Timmons

     President's previous speech to American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial
          Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
          -George Meany's conduct
                 -Connally's previous comments

Connally entered at 10:04 am.
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


Connally's schedule

Pending legislation
     -Tax Bill
          -The President's previous meeting with Hugh Scott and Robert P. Griffin
                 -Possible veto
                 -Check-off provision
                      -Possible House action
          -White House strategy
                 -Possible House conference action
                 -Possible veto
                      -John W. Byrnes
                      -Connally
                            -Charls E. Walker
                 -Possible House action
                      -Southern House members
                 -Possible veto
                 -Possible special session of Congress

Public relations
     -Previous speech to AFL-CIO convention
            -Meany's conduct
                 -Connally's previous comments
                       -Press coverage
                             -Boston Globe
            -Barry M. Goldwater and Scott
            -Possible questions to Ziegler
                 -Gerald L. Warren
                 -The President's attitude and expectations
                 -Television coverage of speech
                       -Warren
                 -The President’s attitude
                 -The President's previous conversation with Scott and Griffin
                 -Meany's attitude
                       -Special interest groups
                       -Compared to Cornelius Vanderbilt
                 -Connally's previous comments
                       -Editorials
                       -The President’s response
                       -Meany
                 -The President's attitude and expectations
                                               8

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                            -Future speeches

Ziegler left at 10:16 am.

                 -Connally's previous comments
                      -Television coverage
                 -Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey and Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                      -Schedules
                 -Convention adjournment
                 -Meany
                      -Connally's previous comments
                            -Michael J. Mansfield's views
                                  -Scott
                      -Comments
                            -The President
                            -Arnold R. Weber, George H. Boldt, Connally and James D.
                                   Hodgson
                 -Labor's support for the President's foreign policy
                 -John L. Lewis
                 -White House reaction
                 -Television coverage

     Connally's schedule

     The President's schedule
          -Eisenhower Medical Center

     Connally's schedule
         -Foreign visit
                -Meetings
                     -Mario Ferrari Aggradi
                     -Japanese officials
                     -Canadian officials
                     -Timing

     Pending legislation
          -Tax Bill
               -Funding for presidential campaigns
                      -Effect
                           -Minor presidential candidates
                           -Minor political parties
                             9

         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                    Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


           -George C. Wallace
           -John C. Stennis
-Possible veto
-Possible House action
-Possible veto
     -Possible special session of Congress
-Necessity
-Funding presidential campaigns
     -Effect
-Possible veto
-House of Representatives
     -The President’s view
           -Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends and George H. Mahon
     -Wilbur Mills
           -Connally’s view
-Senate vote
-Possible veto
     -Support for veto
-Possible provisions of bill
-Funding political campaigns
     -Effect
           -Major political parties
                 -Independent voters
           -Quality of candidates
                 -Contributions
                      -1968 campaign
                 -Primaries
                 -Examples in the South
                      -James O. Eastland
                      -Stennis
                      -Russell B. Long
                      -Compared to demagogues
                 -Effectiveness of special interest groups
                      -Compared to intellectuals
                      -Compared to general public
           -1972 presidential campaign
                 -Edward M. Kennedy
                 -Jews
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
                      -Humphrey and Muskie
           -Congress
                                         10

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                            -Responsiveness to constituents
                -Intentions of Founding Fathers
                      -Voter qualifications
                -Mediocrity in government
                      -Broadening of franchise
                            -Voting Rights Bill
                            -Literacy tests
                            -Minorities
                                  -Connally’s view
                                  -The President’s view
          -Necessity
                -Economic prospects
                      -Connally’s view
                            -Possible veto
                -Possible special session of Congress
     -Government reorganization
     -Revenue-sharing
     -Welfare reform
     -Health Bill
     -Education reform
     -Tax Bill

International monetary situation
      -George P. Shultz
      -Status of negotiations
      -Realignment of currencies
            -Public perception
            -Effect on US economy
            -Commentators
            -Trade
            -Political effects
            -Connally's previous comments
                  -Mexico
                        -Negotiations
            -Trade negotiations
                  -Agriculture
                  -Computers
                  -Automobiles
            -Agriculture
                  -Negotiations
                        -William D. Eberle
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                         -Italy
                              -Rinaldo Ossola
                                   -Meeting with Connally
                                         -Message from Mario Ferrari Aggradi
                         -Japan
                              -Negotiations on cattle
                                   -Effect on states
                              -Quotas on the importation of calves
                                   -Henry L. Bellmon
                                   -Tariffs
                                   -South Korea
     -Timing
     -Public relations

The President's schedule
     -Forthcoming meeting with Shultz
     -Forthcoming meeting with Connally and Arthur F. Burns
          -Price of gold

Federal Reserve Board [FRB]
     -Appointments
          -Connally's conversation with Frederic V. Malek
          -William J. Carson
                -Connally’s view
                -Conversation with Connally
                     -Loyalty
                     -Impact of Reserve Board
                          -Money supply
                     -Loyalty
          -Burns's views
          -Carson

International monetary situation
      -Gold price
           -France
                  -Georges J.R. Pompidou
           -Italy
           -Ossola's previous conversation with Connally
                  -Aggradi
           -Group of Six
           -Group of Ten
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


           -Composition of Group of Six
               -Possible proposition
                     -Rates of exchange
                           -Linkage of rates and currencies

William F. (“Billy”) Graham
     -Previous conversation with the President
           -Meany
           -Alexander Douglas-Home
           -Graham's conversation with Anthony P. Lysberg, Lord Barber
                 -Barber’s view of Connally

Barber

International monetary situation
      -Gold price
           -Group of Six
                 -Possible proposition
           -Convertibility
           -Possible congressional action
                 -Political effects
                       -Pierre Rinfret
           -Connally's negotiations
                 -Import surcharge
                       -Connally's previous conversation with Ossola
                 -Trade concessions
      -The President's schedule
           -Pompidou, Edward R.G. Heath and Willy Brandt
      -Negotiations
           -Timing
           -Politics
                 -Agriculture
           -Possible public statement
           -Possible strategy
                 -Meeting with European officials
                       -Paul A. Volcker's possible press conference
                             -Possible concessions
                                    -Price of gold
                                    -Import surcharge
                                    -Trade
           -France
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                -The President’s forthcoming meeting with Pompidou
                      -Concession on price of gold
                      -Agricultural products
          -Monetary issues compared to trade issues
                -Price of gold
                      -Currency issue
                -Import surcharge
                      -Trade issue
          -US negotiating strategy
          -Connally's schedule
                -Shultz, Kissinger and William P. Rogers
          -Shultz's views
                -Previous conversation with Connally
          -Price of gold
                -Germany and France
                -Burns’s views
                      -Henry S. Reuss and Jacob K. Javits
                      -Congress's actions
          -Trade compared to currency realignment
                -Politics
                      -1972 campaign
                      -Price of gold

National economy
     -Money supply
           -Connally's previous conversation with Burns
           -Connally's forthcoming conversation with Burns
                 -Burns's speech in New York
                 -The President’s view
     -Effect on the dollar
           -William McChesney Martin
     -Value Added Tax [VAT]
           -Edwin S. Cohen's views
           -Connally’s view
                 -Politics
           -Cohen and John Alexander
           -Connally’s view
                 -Timing
                 -Effect
                       -Balanced budget
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:16 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:12 am.

     National economy
          -VAT
                -Politics
                      -Connally's experience

Kissinger entered at 11:12 am.

           -Tax Bill

     India-Pakistan
           -Possible telephone call from Rogers
           -US policy
                -Pakistan
                       -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                -India-Soviet Union relations
                -India’s role
                -Possible State Department options
                -United Nations [UN]
                       -US position
                             -PRC
                             -Soviet Union
                       -Security Council
                -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
                       -Pakistan
                       -India
                       -UN
                             -Great Britain and Rhodesia
                             -East Pakistan
                -State Department
                -Washington Special Action Group [WSAG]
           -Pakistani proposal
                -Mujibur Rahman
           -US policy
                -Rogers
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


               -Cables
               -Aid to Pakistan
               -Aid to India
                     -President’s view
               -UN
                     -Possible resolution
                           -Support
                     -PRC
                     -George H. W. Bush
                           Proposed meeting with PRC officials
               -Cables
                     -Kissinger and Rogers

     David M. Kennedy
          -Possible role with administration
               -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]

     Peter G. Peterson's schedule
           -Forthcoming trip to Europe
                -Conversation with Kissinger
                -Possible meetings with economic ministers and Prime Ministers
                      -The President’s view

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 11:12 am.

               -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
                    -Peterson’s forthcoming trip
                    -The President's schedule
                          -Future meetings with heads of state
                    -Connally's schedule
                          -Forthcoming meeting with Group of Ten
               -Approval

     White House staff
          -Presidential approval of foreign travel
                -Cabinet officers
                -Peterson
                      -Shultz's previous conversation with Sally Peterson
                           -Peter Peterson’s forthcoming trip to Europe
                      -Forthcoming conversation with Shultz and Kissinger
                           -Forthcoming announcements
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                                -Foreign travel
                     -Shultz
                          -Previous conversation with Sally Peterson
                     -Possible meetings with Prime Ministers

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 11:39 am.

     International monetary policy
           -Connally's schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Shultz and Kissinger
                       -Burns’s potential involvement
                       -Peterson’s potential involvement
                 -Kissinger, Shultz, and Burns
                 -Timing
                       -Forthcoming meeting of the President, Connally, and Burns
           -Connally's proposal
                 -Shultz
           -Price of gold
                 -Connally's proposal
           -Negotiations
                 -Timing
                 -Price of gold
                       -Forthcoming Group of Ten meeting
                       -The President's forthcoming meeting with Pompidou
                 -Forthcoming Group of Ten meeting
                       -Import surcharge
                       -Currency revaluation
                       -Price of gold
                       -President’s forthcoming meeting with Pompidou
                             -Germany
                             -Possible compromise
                 -Connally's previous meeting with Ossola
                       -Forthcoming proposition
                             -Price of gold
                 -Possible settlements
                       -Import surcharge
                       -Price of gold
                       -Pompidou
                       -Connally’s role
                       -The President’s view
                 -The President's schedule
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                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                      -Forthcoming meeting with European leaders
                            -Timing of announcements
                      -Pierre E. Trudeau
                      -Eisaku Sato
                 -Proposed message to Sato
                      -Connally
                 -Trudeau
                      -The President’s view
                      -Connally's schedule
                            -Proposed telephone call to Trudeau
                      -Kissinger's schedule
                            -Proposed telephone call to Trudeau
                            -Proposed telephone call to Canadian Ambassador
                                  -State Department

     Brandt
          -Previous call to Kissinger
               -Forthcoming announcement
               -India-Pakistan

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meetings with Burns, and Connally
          -Forthcoming meeting with Shultz
          -Forthcoming meeting Connally, Kissinger, and Burns
          -Burns
               -Pompidou
                      -International monetary negotiations
                            -Surcharge
                            -Currency realignment

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Peterson and Shultz
                -Connally
                -Peterson, Paul W. McCracken, Herbert Stein, Maurice H. Stans and John A.
Volpe
                      -Travel to Europe

Kissinger left at 11:39 am.

     International monetary negotiations
           -Shultz, Kissinger, and Connally
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 623-3 (cont.)


                -Briefing material
           -The President’s view

     Connally's schedule
         -Idanell (“Nellie”) Connally

Connally left at 11:40 am.