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Start Date: 29-Nov-1971 8:38 AM

End Date: 29-Nov-1971 10:42 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Mitchell, John N.Ehrlichman, John D.MacGregor, ClarkTimmons, William E.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:59:47

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:05:40

625a.mp3

625b.mp3

625c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:38 am to 10:42 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 625-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 625-12

Date: November 29, 1971
Time: 8:38 am - 10:42 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John N. Mitchell, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor and William E.
Timmons.


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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


Pending legislation
     -Tax Bill
          -Forthcoming Senate-House conference
                 -Wilbur D. Mills
          -Revenue-sharing
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey
          -John O. Pastore's amendment
                 -Tax check-off provision
                 -MacGregor's possible conversations
                      -Russell B. Long, Wallace F. Bennett, John W. Byrnes and Mills
          -Howard H. Baker, Jr.’s amendment
                 -Pastore
          -Possible veto
                 -Possible special session of Congress
          -Financing political campaigns
                 -"Added Dollar" concept
                      -Treasury Department role
                 -Democrats
                 -Joseph W. Alsop's previous column
                 -Baker and Pastore amendments
                      -Effects
                      -Public hearings
                 -1966 congressional action
                      -Robert F Kennedy and Albert A. Gore, Sr.
                 -Possible effects
                      -Convention delegates
                 -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr. and Clifford P. Case
                 -Pastore amendment
                 -Possible veto
                      -Byrnes's views
                      -William L. Springer’s views
                 -Possible effects
                      -The President's previous conversation with George E. Allen
                      -William Jennings Bryant/William McKinley campaign
                      -Harry S. Truman
                      -Campaign workers
                      -Jews and labor
                            -Democrats
          -Israel
                 -Dwight D. Eisenhower's policy
                      -John Foster Dulles
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          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                       Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


            -Gamal Abdel Nasser
   th
-26 Amendment
-Financing political campaigns
      -Possible effects
            -Blacks
                  -Intelligence
            -George C. Wallace
            -Hubert H. Humphrey
            -Democrats
                  -Edward M. Kennedy
            -Wallace
      -Possible veto
            -William E. Brock, III's views
            -Effects
            -Public relations
            -Possible leak
                  -Bennett and Byrnes
            -Mills
                  -Byrnes
      -Mills
      -Byrnes
      -Possible veto
      -Everett M. Dirksen
      -Possible veto
            -Business
            -Alan Cranston
-Possibilities in House
      -William M. Colmer and Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.
      -George H. Mahon
            -MacGregor's previous conversation with administrative assistant
      -Mills
            -The President’s view
                  -Unknown man
-Possible veto
      -Special session
-Karl E. Mundt
-William Proxmire
-Byrnes
-Mahon
-Colmer
-Financing political campaigns
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


                 -Possible effects
                       -Democrats
                       -Possible presidential candidates
                 -The President's schedule
                 -Possible veto
                 -The President's schedule
                 -Possible veto
                       -Special session
            -The President's economic policy
            -Possible veto
                 -Special session
                 -Long and Mills
            -The President's possible speech
                 -Possible letter
                 -John B. Connally

Aged
       -Social Security
       -Inflation
       -The President's constituency

Pending legislation
     -Tax Bill
          -Congress
          -Financing political campaigns
          -Democratic National Convention
                 -Phone company
                      -News report
          -Congress
                 -Welfare reform
          -The President's schedule
          -Possible veto
          -Pastore amendment
          -The President's possible statement
          -Conference Committee
          -The President's possible statement
                 -Possible letter
                 -Senate conferees
                 -Mills, Long, Byrnes and John C. Stennis
          -The President's possible letter
                 -Effect
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          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                       Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                  Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


      -Content
-Conference Committee
      -Possible instructions
           -Pastore Amendment
      -Possible special session
      -Possible veto
-Financing political campaigns
-Israel
      -Golda Meir’s possible visit to the US
           -US military assistance
                  -American Jews
                  -The President’s policy
                  -The Presidential election
                       -State Department
                       -American Jews
                       -American Quakers
                       -The President's policy
-1972 campaign
      -Democratic candidates
           -Financing
      -Possible problems
      -Effect
           -Proliferation of parties
           -Owing debts to supporters
           -Democrats
                  -Labor councils
           -Edmund S. Muskie
                  -Baker's views
                  -Responsibility to supporters
           -Humphrey and Muskie
                  -Responsibility to supporters
      -Arthur Summerfield's efforts
           -Business community
      -1964 and 1968 campaigns
           -Barry M. Goldwater
                  -MacGregor's work
      -Effect
           -Puerto Rican experience
      -Tax argument
           -Tax evasion
      -The President's possible statement
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


                      -People's Republic of China [PRC] announcement
          -The President's possible letter to Congressmen
                -Publicity
                -Response
                -The President’s views
          -Ronald L. Ziegler's possible statement
          -MacGregor's possible statement
     -Congress's schedule
          -Connally’s view
          -Possible special session
                -Timing
          -The President's schedule
                -Bermuda
                -Azores
          -Possible special session
          -Conflict with the President
     -Cabinet's possible action
     -The President's economic program

National economy
     -The President's program
           -Proxmire's views
           -Effectiveness
           -Donald H. Rumsfeld
           -Prediction by New York firm

Pending legislation
     -Tax Bill
          -Possible veto
          -Businessmen
                 -Charles W. Colson, William L. Safire and Peter M. Flanigan
                 -MacGregor's conversation with William S. White
                 -Horace C. (“Chappie”) Rose
                      -Shultz

Los Angeles Times story on Vietnam
     -Doves
     -Robert B. Semple, Jr.
     -Ziegler's statement

Pending legislation
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


     -Domestic issues
          -PRC trip announcement
     -Tax Bill
          -Financing political campaigns
               -MacGregor's possible statement
                     -Creation of new jobs
                     -Congressional action
                     -Possible veto
               -Mitchell's possible statement
                     -Constitutionality
               -The President’s possible statement
                     -Possible veto
                           -Mills's possible action
               -Elliot L. Richardson's possible statements
                     -Federal spending
                           -Political campaigns
               -MacGregor's possible statement
                     -Congress's schedule
                     -Effect
                     -Congressional action
                           -Effect
                     -Possible veto
                     -Purpose
                     -Effect of legislation
                     -Possible veto
                     -Mills
                     -Timing
                           -Stock market
                           -PRC trip announcement
                           -Stock market
               -Southern Democrats' views
               -Thomas G. Wicker's views
                     -William H. Rehnquist

The nation
     -Politics
           -The President's accomplishments
                -Supreme Court

Pending legislation
     -Tax Bill
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


     -Timing of vote
     -MacGregor's possible meeting
           -Mills
     -Possible veto
           -Effect
     -Financing political campaigns
           -Stewart J.O. Alsop's previous column
           -Effect
                -The President’s view
-Welfare reform
-Government reorganization
-Revenue-sharing
-Tax Bill
     -Financing political campaigns
           -Legislative history
                -Pressure on presidents
                      -"Bad" provisions of "good" bills
           -Effect
           -Newsmen's views
                -Howard K. Smith
                -[Arnold] Eric Sevareid
                -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]
           -MacGregor's possible statement
                -Robert F. Kennedy and Gore
                -Effect of passage
           -Effects
                -Number of parties
                -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                -Wallace
                -John F. Kennedy
           -As national issue
                -Ehrlichman's forthcoming conversation with Herbert G. Klein
           -MacGregor's possible statement
                -Congress's schedule
     -House version
           -Gerald R. Ford and Hugh Scott
     -The President's schedule
     -Financing political campaigns
           -Ford's views
           -Brock's views
                -Previous conversation with the President
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


                -As national issue
                     -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak
                            -Finances of Republicans and Democrats
                -Possible statements
                     -Robert J. Dole
                     -Samuel L. Devine
                     -John [Surname unintelligible]
                -Waggonner, Mahon, and Olin E. (“Tiger”) Teague

Southern Democrats supporting the President's programs
     -Republican opposition in 1972
     -Mahon's conversation with MacGregor
          -Michael J. Mansfield amendment
     -Previous records
          -Timmons's research

Earl L. Butz
      -Confirmation
            -Robert C. Byrd
      -Alternatives
            -Clarence D. Palmby
            -John H. Kyl
                 -Farm organizations
                 -Views of Bryce N. Harlow and John C. Whitaker
      -Selection
            -The President's meeting with Carl T. Curtis
                 -MacGregor's knowledge
            -Views of Dole, Jack R. Miller and Curtis
      -Confirmation
            -MacGregor's efforts
            -George D. Aiken's suggestions
                 -Butz's association with related organizations
                        -4-H
            -MacGregor's conversation with Herman E. Talmadge
            -Miller's views
      -Ezra Taft Benson and Orville L. Freeman
      -Possible actions in office
      -Confirmation
            -Constituents' letters to James B. Pearson
            -Whitaker's possible efforts
            -American Farm Bureau
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 625-12 (cont.)


            -Performance
            -Clifford M. Hardin’s view
            -Alternatives
                  -Palmby
                  -Possible withdrawal of nomination
            -Confirmation
                  -Effect on Rehnquist and Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
                  -Paul J. Fannin's views
                  -Effect on Rehnquist
                  -Administration's efforts
                        -Possible withdrawal of nomination
                  -Aiken's conversations with MacGregor
                  -Miller
                  -Pearson
                  -MacGregor's conversations
                        -Timmons and Thomas C. Korologos
                        -Mitchell
                        -Possible withdrawal of nomination
                  -Administration's efforts
                  -MacGregor's conversation with Miller
                  -Walter J. Hickel

      MacGregor's schedule

Mitchell, et al., left at 10:42 am.