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Start Date: 6-Dec-1971 3:35 PM

End Date: 6-Dec-1971 3:58 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ambrose, Myles J.Ehrlichman, John D.Shultz, George P.Krogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.White House photographerBull, Stephen B.Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ambrose, Myles J.Ehrlichman, John D.Shultz, George P.Krogh, Egil ("Bud"), Jr.White House photographerBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:48:12

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:11:44

630a.mp3

630b.mp3

630c.mp3

NARA Description:

On December 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Myles J. Ambrose, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Egil ("Bud") Krogh, Jr., White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:35 pm to 3:58 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 630-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 630-16

Date: December 6, 1971
Time: 3:35 pm - 3:58 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Myles J. Ambrose, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz and Egil
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 630-15 (cont.)


(“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.; the White House photographer and a National Broadcasting Company
[NBC] file crew were present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Seating
          -NBC film crew

     Narcotics program
          -Krogh's briefing paper
          -Treatment of drug addicts
                -Success
          -Foreign governments
                -Turkey
                -Thailand
                -Laos
          -Drug pushers
                -Prosecution
                     -Penalties
                -Personnel
                -Competition among government agencies
                     -Justice Department and Treasury Department
                     -Presidential directives
                           -A call to work together on the drug problem
                                 -No “snow jobs”
                                       -Jurisdictions
                                             -Possible solutions
                                             -Ports of entry
                                             -Internally
                                             -Internationally
                     -Solutions
                           -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
                                 -Law enforcement responsibility
                     -Office Economic Opportunity [OEO] and National Institute of Health
                            [NIH]
                     -Law enforcement
                           -Justice Department and Treasury Department
                                 -Responsibility equally shared
                                 -Bureau of Customs
                                 -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
                                 -Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs [BNDD]
                           -Grand jury
                           -Prosecution teams
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

           Tape Subject Log
             (rev. 10/06)
                                            Conv. No. 630-16 (cont.)


      -Ambrose
            -Previous work
      -Street sellers
            -Impact on the community
            -Federal and state
                  -Team work
            -Foreign comparison
                  -Interdiction
                        -Success rate
-Grand jury
      -Safeguard of civil liberties
-Addict peddlers
      -Probable impact
-Local level
      -Federal government
            -Previous international involvement
                  -Turkey, Laos, Thailand
                        -Agreements
-Local law enforcement
-350,000 police officers
      -New York
      -Chicago; Los Angeles; Washington, DC
            -Police corruption
            -Problems
-Neglect
      -Number of years
-Apathy
-Heroin pushers
      -Effect on young people
            -Spiritually, morally and physically
      -Societies of the past
            -Southern hemisphere
-Statistics
      -Heroin seized
            -Cost
            -Convictions and arrests
                  -Increase
            -Program purpose
                  -Decrease amount of heroin on the street
                        -New York Times story
                        -New York police department
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 630-16 (cont.)


                                      -Dock strike
                           -Danger on the job
                           -Agent training
                                -Quality of training
                                      -Unknown nature of addicts
                           -Federal-local cooperation
                                -Jurisdictions
                                      -Exchanges of information
                                -Cost
                                      -BNDD
                                      -Bureau of Customs
                                      -Shultz
                                            -Rising costs
                                      -IRS
                                      -Lawyers
                                -New York grand jury
                                -Justice Department
                                -Law schools
                                -Young lawyers
                                      -Criminal law
                                      -Equal rights and environment
                                      -Criminal law
                                            -Encouragement to enter
                                                  -Teachers
                                            -Political career
                                      -Corporate law
                                -State Attorneys General
                                -Law schools
                                      -Young lawyers
                                      -Louie Lefkowitz [?]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:35 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Pierre E. Trudeau meeting
                -Arrival time

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:58 pm.
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 630-16 (cont.)


     Narcotics problem
          -Law schools
                -Encouragement
                -Criminal law
                     -The President’s past experience
                -John N. Mitchell
                -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                     -Lack of quality people
                           -Need for quality people
                -John H. Alexander
                -Chicago and Los Angeles
                -Leonard Garment
                -Law firm
                     -Alexander
                           -Unknown person

Ambrose, et al. left at 3:58 pm.