Conversation No. 631-8

Date: December 7, 1971
Time: 5:05 pm - 6:16 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan and John D. Ehrlichman.

     United Nations [UN]
          -Ambassador
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                                Conv. No. 631-7 (cont.)


         -India/Pakistan
         -Israel

    India-Pakistan situation
          -War


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    INDIA


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               -Withdrawal
                     - Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
               -Talks with East Pakistani leader
                     -Location
                           -Calcutta
               -Indira Gandhi
                     -Trip


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    INDIA
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                             Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


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              -East Pakistan
                    -Refugees
              -Military operations
                    -Possible duration
                          -Cleanup in East
                                -Duration
              -UN
                    -Indian elections [?]
                    -East Pakistan
                          -Partition


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    INDIA-PAKISTAN


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    United Nations [UN]
         -George G.W. Bush
              -Praise from Moynihan
         -Unknown Stalinist
         -PRC representatives
              -[Forename unknown] Jackson [?]
         -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
         -Moynihan’s schedule
         -Secretary General [U Thant]
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


          -Max Jacobson
          -Agha Sadruddin Khan
          -Maurice Strong
               -Canada
                    -Environment concerns
                    -Chances to become Secretary General
          -Jacobson
               -Background
                    -Jewish descent
               -USSR
               -Arabs

Arab-Israeli dispute
     -Unknown person
           -Background
                 -Saudi Arabia

Secretary General
     -President’s view
           -U Thant
                -Possible asylum
                      -Burma
                            -Unable to return
           -Bush
                -Moynihan’s upcoming conversation with Bush
           -Agha Sadruddin Khan
                -Youth
                      -Friendly to the Administration
                -Yahya Khan's brother
                -Iranian passport
                -Zanzibar
                -Education
                      -Harvard University
                -Qualifications
           -Jacobson
           -USSR
           -Arabs
           -Importance of selecting the Secretary General
                -Type
           -Strong
                -Support from the President
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


           -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
           -USSR
           -Sadruddin Khan
                -Security council
                -Refugee reports

Busing issue
     -Politics
     -Constitutional amendment
           -Civil rights issue
     -James S. Coleman
     -Effects on children
     -North compared to South
     -Moynihan’s view
           -Civil rights movement
                 -Consequences
                       -Possible damage to race relations
                             -William H. Rehnquist
                       -Constitutional amendment
                             -Possible perception by Blacks
                             -Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education
     -January 1969
     -State of the nation
           -Decline in confidence
     -Whites
           -Majority
                 -Degree of wellness individually
                       -Discouragement over the future
                       -Large percentage believe country is “worse off”
                       -Studies
     -Brown decision
           -President’s accomplishments
           -Integration
                 -Supreme Court
                       -Dual school systems in the South after Brown decision
                             -Percentage
                             -Percentage during the Nixon Administration
     -North
           -Dual school system
                 -Non-existent
                 -Ethnic community schools
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


               -Neutral
                    -Ethnic pockets in the North
-Court decisions
      -Learning about the education process
      -Courts are usually proven wrong
            -Brown decision
                  -Difficult to prove in court
-President’s message to Congress on education, March 1970
      -Style of messages
      -Timing
            -Cambodia
-Congressional action
      -Moynihan’s previous telephone conversation with John W. Gardner
-Dual school system
      -National requirements
-Schools' performance
      -Lower class students
      -More choice
      -Expenditures
      -South
-National Institute of Education [NIE]
      -Education bill
            -Progress
                  -Possible results
-Dual school system
      -Possible elimination
            Particular methods tried
-New York Times
-H.L. Mencken quote
-Race relations
      -Hostility in schools
            -Elementary and secondary
                  -Blacks
                  -Jews
      -Local control
            -New York City
                  -Tax brackets
-John V. Lindsay
      -Re-election chances
-Public schools
-Parochial schools
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


             -Financing
       -Domestic Council
       -British
       -Dutch
       -French
       -Canadians
       -Australians
       -Consequences
       -Possible Constitutional amendment
             -End of the dual school system
       -Alexander M. Bickel paper
       -John N. Mitchell
       -New York Times
       -Increase in elementary and secondary school population during the 1970s
       -Teachers
             -Increase
       -President’s instructions
             -Education bill
                   -Possible Congressional action
                   -Moynihan-Ehrlichman meeting
                   -Comparison to revenue-sharing
                   -Senate
                         -Tax bill
                              -Wilbur D. Mills
                                   -Check off
       -Bickel letter
             -New era of education
             -National Primary and Secondary School Educational Opportunities Act of
1972
                   -Busing and desegregation
       -California and Michigan decision
             -Compared to the President’s People’s Republic of China [PRC] initiative
                   -1967
       -Neil H. McElroy Commission
             -[Forename unknown] Serrano [sp?]
       -Congressional action
       -President’s instructions to Moynihan
       -Bickel letter
             -New era
                   -Possible support from Blacks
       -Race relations
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


      -Potential speech from the President
            -Leadership
            -Reassurance
-Desegregation
      -Progress since 1969
            -Dual school system
            -Congress
-McElroy Commission
      -Duration
-Moynihan's suggestions
      -National institute [?]
            -March 1970
-Emergency school aid
      -Finances
-School vouchers
      -Opportunity for children
      -Experiments
            -California
                  -Legal decision
            -Florida
                  -Possible changes
      -Property tax and value added tax
      -Private schools
-Blacks
      -Reassurance
            -Symbolic gesture by the President
                  -John N. Mitchell quote
-Ideal school system
      -Choices
            -Legislation
-Bickel arguments
      -Busing is symbolic
      -New era of education
            -Busing and desegregation
            -Declare peace
      -Federal money
      -Equality of education
      -Inequality in educational opportunities
            -California decision
                  -Serrano [sp?]
-Intelligence Quotient [IQ] scale
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


      -Comparison
            -Asians, Europeans, Blacks, and the Irish
                  -Unknown person
-Education bill
      -Preamble
            -Equality of educational opportunity
-Moynihan's suggestions
      -Measure of outputs
-Property tax bill
-Education bill
      -Special interests
            -National Education Association [NEA]
      -Private compared to public schools
-Moynihan's suggestions
      -Moynihan's talk with Ehrlichman
-Bickel
-Brown decision
-How to present
      -Brown brief
      -Tax system comparison
            -Change
                  -Idealistic overtones
                        -Honesty
-Parochial schools
-Segregation and busing
-New era
-Bringing people together
      -Choices
      -No inferior education
            -Right of every American to a superior education
-Presidential leadership
      -Generosity
-Dual school system
-George C. Wallace
      -Polls
-Articles
-Letters
-Moynihan
-Note to H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Jews
-Chinese
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


               -Work ethic
          -Richard Herrnstein
          -The President reads from a letter
               -Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
          -Mitchell
          -Herrnstein’s article
          -Nathan Glazer
          -Further discussion
          -Allegation
          -Coleman

     Economy
         -Taxes
              -Unknown person
              -Money supply


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Moynihan left at 6:08 pm.

     Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] legislation
          -Veto
                -Votes
                      -Number
          -Child care
          -Gerald R. Ford
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
          -Timing
                -Veto
          -Continuing resolution
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                               Conv. No. 631-8 (cont.)


           -Conservatives
                -Seeking credit


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     Busing
          -Alexander P. Butterfield
          -Moynihan
               -Position
                     -Compared to Bickel
               -Idealism
          -Comparison to Vietnam
          -Revenue sharing
               -Tax bill

Ehrlichman left at 6:10 pm.