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Start Date: 13-Jan-1972 11:41 AM
End Date: 13-Jan-1972 12:38 PM
Participants:Nixon, Richard M. (President); Agnew, Spiro T. (Vice President); McElroy, Neil H.; Marland, Sidney P., Jr. (Dr.); Richardson, Elliot L.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Engman, Lewis A.; Morey, Roy D.; Merriam, Robert E.; [Unknown person(s)];
Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:21:59
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:19:29
On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Neil H. McElroy, Dr. Sidney P. Marland, Jr., Elliot L. Richardson, John D. Ehrlichman, Lewis A. Engman, Roy D. Morey, Robert E. Merriam, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:41 am and 12:38 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-010 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 647-10 Date: January 13, 1972 Time: 11:41 am - unknown time before 12:38 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, Neil H. McElroy, Sidney P. Marland, Jr., Elliot L. Richardson, John D. Ehrlichman, Lewis A. Engman, and Roy D. Morey. Introductions and greetings Robert E. Merriam -Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR] Merriam entered at an unknown time after 11:41 am. Report from the President's Commission on School Finance [McElroy Commission] -The Commission’s schedule -Dissent -Non-public school assistance -Paul Freund (?) -Father [Forename unknown] Whelan of Fordham University Law School -Catholic schools -Projections -Tax credits -Tuition grants -Cost of some programs -Rev. William E. McManus -Need for action Nelson A. Rockefeller -Education plan -Failure -Prospects School funding -State functions -Allocation for elementary and secondary schools -Local financing 18 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-10 (cont.) -Source of funds -Income, sales, property taxes -Local expenditures of funds -Supreme Court -Warren E. Burger -Federal government role An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 11:41 am. Refreshments The unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:36 pm. -Federal government's role -Amount of aid -Five-year period -Urban areas -Efficacy of grant programs -Deterioration -Young people California and Texas decisions -Impact on school funding programs -Property taxes -Examples -San Marion County -Compared to Apple Vally -Minnesota -States -Equity State funding -Federal government -Local school boards -California -Watts -San Marino -Local government vis-à-vis states -Delegation of authority -New Brunswick, Canada -Hawaii 19 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-10 (cont.) -Handling of funding -Oregon, Ohio Taxes -Ehrlichman’s talks with McElroy -Engman's work -Value Added Tax [VAT] -The President's conversation with John B. Connally -Tax reform -Property and general taxes -California -Sales tax -Property taxes -Regressive nature -Sales tax -Possible substitutes -VAT Prototypes of programs -Revolutionary approach ACIR -Purpose -Revenue sharing -Federal support for education -Schedule -Congress -Revenue sharing, welfare reform -VAT State and local perspective -Agnew’s experience -County government -Tax reform in Maryland during Agnew's tenure as Governor -ACIR -Changes in intergovernmental relations -Effect of broad-based tax such as the VAT -Revenue sharing -Private schools -Approach -Special revenue sharing for education 20 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-10 (cont.) -Public relations -Feasibility of VAT Property tax -Assessment rate differences -Boston -California -Newark -Sales taxes -Relation to other taxes -Income taxes -Graduated -VAT -General revenue sharing -Equalization of education costs Bill in Congress -Changes Total tax picture McElroy Commission, ACIR -Departments of Treasury, Domestic Council and Health, Education and Welfare [HEW] -Revenue sources -Study of equalization efforts -State, Federal roles -Equal educational opportunity Property taxes -Different kinds -Assessment factors -VAT Government decentralization -Administration goal -State responsibilities -Board of education -Use of taxes -Broad-based tax 21 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-10 (cont.) HEW formulation Projections on funding -Court decisions -Tax funds -Sources ACIR -Property taxes -VAT Property taxes -“Circuit breaker” -State limit on amount elderly pay -Conference on Aging -Wisconsin -Possible federal effort -Treasury Department, Domestic Council ACIR -Additional staff -Texas -Congress -Edmund S. Muskie -Schedule -Study of VAT Special revenue sharing for education -Possible public impression -Funding -Property tax -State role -Neighborhood and district role -Tax base -Relationship to use of money -Congressional hearings -Roman C. Pucinski and House committee members -Illinois -Chicago -Sales tax 22 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-10 (cont.) Executive Committee of the ACIR -Further study of VAT substitution for property tax -Schedule -The President’s instruction -Priority attention to school funding -McElroy Commission Federal Reserve Board [FRB] -John E. Sheehan -Background -Composition [General conversation] Focus -Pilot programs -Local government control Agnew, et al., except Richardson, left at 12:36 pm. Inclusion of portions of Richardson’s statement in State of the Union speech -Forthcoming radio talks by the President Richardson left at an unknown time before 12:38 pm.