Conversation: 647-017
Prev:  647-016 Next: 647-018Start Date: 13-Jan-1972 1:24 PM
End Date: 13-Jan-1972 2:14 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Anderson, Robert O.; Jonsson, J. Erik; Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Garment, Leonard; Butterfield, Alexander P.; Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:03:37
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:55:02
NARA Description:
On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert O. Anderson, J. Erik Jonsson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Leonard Garment, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 2:14 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-017 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 647-17 Date: January 13, 1972 Time: 1:24 pm - 2:14 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with Robert O. Anderson, J. Erik Jonsson, John D. Ehrlichman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., and Leonard Garment. Greetings Delays in the President's schedule -Meeting with Neil H. McElroy and Commission National Football League [NFL] -Playoff games -Super Bowl -Dallas Cowboys, [Miami Dolphins] -Play Cities -Los Angeles -Atlantic Richfield Co. headquarters -Bank of America -Move from New York City to Los Angeles -Living conditions in New York City -Schools -Aerospace industry -The President's airplane shuttle trip to New York City with "Pete" Jones -"Charlie" Jones -“Pete” Jones -New York Times -“Charlie” Jones -California -Bohemian Grove -Jonsson -New Jersey 32 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) -Dallas, Los Angeles -Expansion -New York City -Deterioration -Possible handling Urban problems -Possible handling -Dialogue between urban leaders, professionals, and academics -Lack of common background -Mayors, governors Project -Timing -Senior Executive Council of National Industrial Conference Board -Business -Urban problems -Need for understanding -Institute for National Goals -Precedents -Dwight D. Eisenhower administration -Charles H. Percy committee -Magazines -National Purpose -National Goals Institute for national goals for the future -Naming -Difficulty -Priorities -Education, health defense, space -Space shuttle -Recent announcement -Support by Floridians, Californians, New York Times Meeting at Links with foundations -Dining -Results -Agreement and disagreement Foundations 33 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) -Compared to business people -Advisers -Compared to executives -Functions -Examples -Money to Whittier College and Occidental College Dean Rusk -Qualities -Loyalty to country, Lyndon B. Johnson -The President's talk with William C. Bullitt -Bullitt's background as US ambassador to the Soviet Union -Rusk's origins -Foundations -Qualities Foundations -Type of life for executives -Reluctance to make decisions -Studies -Compared to lawyers The President’s talk with Ehrlichman -Anderson and Johnsson -The President’s concern National goals -Economy -Peter G. Peterson -Life magazine -Article on national purpose -Action on issues -Young people -Professors -Editorialists -Decision making -Compared to words, idealism -Rising expectations -1960’s -The Peace Corps -High expectations 34 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) -Lack of action -Frustration -Contrast between idealists and pragmatists -Businessmen -Compared to idealists -Pragmatic men with ideals -Young people -Idealism Computer model of world problems -Economic systems -Weather -Variables -Jobs -Long range planning tool -Congress The economy -Automobile production -Transportation -Increased production -Highways -Energy sources -Ralph Nader -Questioning -New York City -Empire State Building -Taller buildings The nation's future -Targets -Production -Transistor radios -Prices -Building a factory -Costs -Risks -Goal-setting, planning -Systems approach -“Goals for Dallas” program 35 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) Nation's goals -Institute's “Goals for Dallas” program -Methodology -Number of people -Duration of time -Reading of briefs of inventories -Subjects -Education, welfare, recreation, government, cities -Revisions -Sample of 10,000 opinions -Right-wing, left-wing views -Consensus -Town hall meetings -Results -Tools for projecting future needs -Computers -Industrial community -Validity, credibility -Proposals -Rockwell International -Costs -Loose ends -[Willard F.] Rockwell, Jr. -Bernard D. Haber -Problem of implementing goals -Time -Costs Computers -Use in weather forecasting -Satellites -Effectiveness -Speed in processing information from satellites -Change in forecasting -Use of models -Dr. William D. McElroy Nation's goals -Institute -Purpose -Leadership 36 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) -Political aspect -Consensus on plan -Black communities -Solution American Revolution Bicentennial Commission [ARBA] -David J. Mahoney, Jr. -Local communities -North Carolina Senior Executive Council of National Industrial Conference Board -Meetings -Proposal -Institute on goals -Possible government sponsorship -Foundations -Purpose -Forthcoming 1990 conference -Administration support for Institute -Possible message from the President for meeting -Foundations -Experts -Bureaucracy Rockefeller Foundation -Studies -Nelson A. Rockefeller's candidacies -Lack of action -Staff -Government and corporate bureaucracies Institute on goals -Organization -Role of the government -National Science Foundation [NSF] -Model -Presidential commission -Problem -Politics -Presidential interest, support, participation -Eisenhower’s goals commission 37 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) NSF -Use of money New institute -Relationship with foundations -Credit -Funding -Effect on those who join foundations The environment -National Center for Environmental Research -Proposals -Value Goal-setting -Goal institute -Establishment of priorities -The President's role -Foreign policy -The People’s Republic of China [PRC] initiative -Compared with foundations -Percy's report -Businessmen -Pragmatism and idealism -Value -Government involvement Goal institute -Cities -Instruction and assistance in setting goals -Teams -Budget -Costs -Mahoney -George P. Shultz Mahoney -Cole -Garment 38 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 647-17 (cont.) Presentation of gifts -Money clips Pragmatism -Appeal to the President -Idealism Anderson, et al. left and Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 2:14 pm. Schedule -Meeting with Jon M. Huntsman -Children -Taping of audio message for Vincent T. (“Vince”) Lombardi Dinner, January 14, 1972 Butterfield left at 2:14 pm.