Conversation: 650-012
Prev: 650-011 Next: 650-013Start Date: 18-Jan-1972 12:34 PM
End Date: 18-Jan-1972 2:29 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Shultz, George P.; Ford, Gerald R.; Boggs, [Thomas] Hale; O'Neill, Thomas P. ("Tip"), Jr.; [Unknown person(s)];Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:58:00
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:53:26
NARA Description:
On January 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Gerald R. Ford, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, Thomas P. ("Tip") O'Neill, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 2:29 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 650-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 650-12 28 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Date: January 18, 1972 Time: 12:34 pm - 2:29 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz. West Coast dock strike -Legislation -Labor Department -Forthcoming meeting -Jurisdiction issue -Longshoremen, Teamsters Union -Merger -Longshoremen's contract -Tax -Fund -Work guarantee -Teamsters -Compromise -State of the Union speech -Legislation -Strategy -Timing -The administration’s posture towards unions -Harry Bridges -Radicals -Possible statement -Ronald L. Ziegler -Administration image -Media -Injunction -Public opinion -Legislation -Public perception of Administration effort -James D. Hodgson statement -Laurence H. Silberman -Tom McCall -Governors' forum -Legislation -Possible legislation 29 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Arbitration bill -Establishment of arbitration board -Jurisdiction -Teamsters -Longshoremen -National Labor Relations Board [NLRB] [The President talked with Gerald R. Ford, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, and Thomas P. (“Tip”) O'Neill, Jr. between 12:41 pm and 12:44 pm.] [Conversation No. 650-12A] [See Conversation No. 18-102] [End of telephone conversation] West Coast dock strike -Pay Board and arbitrator relationship -Issue -Money offered -Camp David -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] approach -Economic Stabilization Act -Pay Board -Perception of handling -Settlement -Legislation -Possible labor reaction -Publicity -Support of Republicans -McCall -Hugh Scott -Congressional view of ad hoc approach -Possible action -Draft for inclusion in State of the Union speech -Raymond K. Price, Jr. -Deadline -Need for action Economic issues -Ceiling on expenditures 30 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Settlement -John B. Connally -Arthur F. Burns -State of the Union -Budget message -Administration, Congress -1968 ceiling statement -1969 ceiling statement -Instruction for Shultz -Deficit -Budget -Press conference -Shultz and Connally -Presidential statement -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger -Prospects -Deficit -Cabinet meeting, January 20, 1972 -Briefing for 1973 budget -Department of Defense [DOD] -End of fiscal year spending by federal agencies -Budget authority -Department spending -DOD -Deficit -DOD -Ombudsman oversight -Domestic department Commerce Department -Peter G. Peterson's role -Competitiveness of US industry -Transition -Productivity Commission -Chairmanship -Shultz -Funding -Visibility -Steel industry -Construction industry -Smithsonian Agreement 31 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Hodgson -Labor Management Committee -John F. Kennedy administration -Alternation of chairmanship -Labor and Commerce Departments -Peterson's image, energy -Maurice H. Stans -Connally -Hodgson -Announcement of Peterson appointment -Announcement of Peterson's appointment -Timing -Ehrlichman’s role -Connally -Peterson’s memorandum for the President -Proposal -Hodgson -Connally -Ehrlichman’s talk with Peterson -Peterson's view -Specifics in statement -Review -Connally -Hodgson -Shultz -Council on competition -The President’s view -Hodgson -Timing -News impact -Peterson’s call to Ehrlichman -Role vis-a-vis business -Peter M. Flanigan -Peterson’s talk with Ehrlichman -Authority -Peterson announcement -Timing Budget -Statement -Tone 32 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Melvin R. Laird's memorandum -President's interview with Dan Rather, January 2, 1972 -Statement for television on budget -Briefing Connally, Shultz -Message of January 24, 1972 -Signing ceremony -Timing -Television coverage -Possible statement -Press room -Press conference on the budget -Connally, Shultz -Cabinet Room -Embargoed copies of message -Timing -Location -State Department -David M. Kennedy -Presidential statement -Publicity -Length of statement Pay Board -Burns's opinion -Expectations -Aerospace -Construction industry -Composition -General Electric [GE] representative, Virgil B. Day -Statements -Union members -Treatment of Arnold R. Weber -George H. Boldt -Administration of board -Donald H. Rumsfeld -OMB -Boldt -William L. Gifford -Congressional relations -Change of chairmanship 33 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Price Commission -C. Jackson Grayson -Compared to Pay Board -Labor members -Wage and Price system -Frank E. Fitzsimmons -Court ruling -Impact -Teamsters union contracts -Burns's perception of possible actions -John T. Dunlop -Construction industry -Labor view -Charles W. Colson's view -Fitzsimmons -Boldt -Contracts The President’s schedule Export extension bill -Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson -Administration position -Connally -Peterson -Henry A. Kissinger -State, Commerce Departments -Export subsidies -Administration study -Exchange Rates -Negotiations -Transfer of commercial function of State Department to Commerce Department -Magnuson's bill -Testimony -Timing -Maurice H. Stans's view -William P. Rogers's view -The President’s view -Administration position -Shultz’s view -Analogy to intelligence 34 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Reorganization -Agriculture -Treasury Department -Testimony -Stans's position -State Department -Role of Congress -Press conference -Stans -Peterson -Possible testimony -Administration strategy -Study -Rogers's view -Connally -Handling by OMB -Intelligence committee -Peterson -Rogers State Department -Need for change -Personnel -Kissinger conflict with Rogers -Connally conflict with Rogers -Rogers’s view -Connally Chilean loan ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 [National Security] [Duration: 56s ] [Subject: Intelligence] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 ********************************************************************** 35 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Connally -Expropriation -Rogers -Kissinger -Peterson -Memorandum -Allende -The President’s talk with Connally -Recent elections -State Department -Connally -Weintraub ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 [National Security] [Duration: 15s ] [Subject: Intelligence] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 ********************************************************************** -Memorandum -Alexander P. Butterfield -National Security Council [NSC] -Timing -Kissinger -Rogers -Connally -Delegation of authority -Negotiations -Reciprocity -Critics’ view -Allende -Fidel Castro 36 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Reaction in Latin America -Castro -Dwight D. Eisenhower -The President’s recommendation -Allen W. Dulles -State Department -State Department -Allende ********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7 [National Security] [Duration: 18s ] [Subject: Intelligence] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7 ********************************************************************** -Expropriation -Foreign policy -Negotiations -Connally -Paul A. Volcker -Sidney Weintraub State Department Export Extension bill -State Department -Study -Rogers -Staff work -Study -Comparison to oil imports An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm. 37 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) President's schedule -William L. Safire -Price Refreshment The President and the unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm. Foreign travel -Embargo -Herbert Stein American Enterprise Institute [AEI] The President returned at an unknown time after 12:44 pm. Agriculture Department -Draft regulations on food stamps -Timing An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm. Refreshment The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm. Agriculture Department -Earl L. Butz -Clifford M. Hardin -Butz's statement Timber industry -Clear cutting -Russell E. Train's position -Executive Order -Executive Order -Effect on jobs -Proposal -McCall -Environmentalists' reactions 38 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) Overseas aircraft sales -Northrop Corporation -Handling of businesses -Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. Richard Kleindienst -Confirmation -Ehrlichman's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman -Clark MacGregor report -Possible votes -Nomination -Delay -February 15, 1972 An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm. Refreshments The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:29 pm. Tax legislation -Advisory Committee of Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR] -Value-added tax -Democrats -Polls -Edmund S. Muskie -Connally role -Spiro T. Agnew role -Elliot L. Richardson -Schools -Property tax -Connally role -Timing -The President's schedule -June 1972 trip to the Soviet Union -Neil H. McElroy -ACIR -Agnew 39 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) Declassification of government documents -Agnew -Official Secrets Act -Forthcoming recommendation -William H. Rehnquist -Committee report -Executive Order -Agnew -Congress Narcotics interdiction -Justice and Treasury Departments -Connally -Myles J. Ambrose -John N. Mitchell -Joint operation with Treasury -Ambrose -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming talk with Connally [?] -Bureaucracy -Street pushers -Grand juries -Ambrose -Television -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] agents -US attorneys -Eugene T. Rossides -Forthcoming talks Busing -Richmond decision -Humphrey statement -News summary -Edward L. Morgan -Options paper for President -The President’s schedule -Issue -Complexity -Morgan -Viewpoint -Meeting with President -Possible administration action 40 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -The President’s view -[Fredrick M.?] Coleman -Leonard Garment -Recent meeting -Alexander M. Bickel -Coleman -Shultz -Richmond judge [Robert R. Merhige, Jr.] -Forthcoming cases in North -Administration position -Judges -Possible legislation -Constitutional amendment -Robert P. Griffin -Howard H. Baker, Jr. -Press conference -Form of amendment -Legislation -Options -Statement by President -Press conference -Written -Advantage -Humphrey televised statement -Neighborhood school -Quality of education -Press coverage -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] -Daniel L. Schorr -Muskie -Position -Appearance on Meet the Press -Rogers's reaction -Rogers’s responses to questions -Compared to the President -Ziegler -Press reaction -Unknown reporter -Muskie’s disposition Executive salaries 41 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Handling Roles of administration officials -Peterson -Commerce Department role -Duties as spokesman -Jobs, competition -Flanigan -Peterson -Hodgson -Connally -Rogers -Trade representatives -Connally -Peterson -Connally -Role -Peterson's role vis-a-vis Hodgson, Rogers -Peterson -Organization of government -Understanding by businessmen -Charles E. Wilson, McElroy -Performance as Secretary of Defense -David Packard -Business, government responsibilities compared -Connally -Peterson -Role in economic matters -Speeches State Department -Rogers -Economic matters -Reorganization -Commercial attaches -Policy matters -Monetary -Trade -Aid to American business abroad -Services -Foreign Service 42 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -The Ugly American -Knowledge, handling of local conditions -India -Members -Knowledge -View of business -Japan -Commerce Department -Agriculture Department -Need for coordination abroad -Treasury Department -Coordination at home -Presidential Regional Council -Denver, Colorado -Need for strong ambassadors -National Security Council [NSC] -Kissinger and staff -Foreign service officers comparison -Position vis-a-vis State Department -Kissinger -Attitude -Relations with other officials -Jack N. Anderson's publication of papers -Joseph J. Sisco -View of State Department -Compared to the President’s -People's Republic of China [PRC] -Quemoy and Matsu -Cuba -Rogers -Kissinger’s view -Personality -Press relations -Relations with State Department staff -Press relations -Image with the American public -Kissinger -Anti-Vietnam war demonstrations -Cambodia -Laos -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech 43 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Consultations with the President -Press relations -Rather -Relations with the President -Relations with the President -Cordell Hull -John Foster Dulles -Suez crisis -Aswan Dam -Press relations -Image in State Department -Public visibility -Death -Media -Rogers -Leadership -Future White House staff -Travel embargo -The President’s schedule -Exceptions -Connally and Chilean loan negotiations -Paris -Stockholm -Environmental conference -Schedule -George W. Romney -The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC -Environmental conference -Monetary conference -Drug conference -Rumsfeld, Robert H. Finch State Department -Staff -Contacts with the President -Image abroad -Compared to Soviet Union, Great Britain -Outlook -Rogers 44 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -Kissinger -Style -NSC meetings -Kissinger and Rogers -Tactics -Compared to strategy -Handling of meetings -Dock strike -Harry Bridges Staff -Speech writing -Difficulties Robert J. Dole -Colson -Divorce *********************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 [Privacy] [Duration: 1m 55s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 ********************************************************************** -Ehrlichman's and the President’s legal experience Kennedy -Response by Dole -Speech -Congressional leadership -Connally's reaction -Oil depletion -Fred R. Harris’s claim -1968 campaign -Connally and the President 45 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -The President’s support for concept -Legal experience -1939-1940 -Santa Fe Springs -Humphrey -Connally support in 1968 -Oil depletion issue -Effect in Texas Harris -Washington Post story -Howard R. Hughes loan [Clifford Irving] biography of Hughes -Legal action by Hughes lawyers -Mail fraud -Filing of complaint with Justice Department -Robert Maheu -John W. Dean, III Hughes loan -Press coverage -F. Donald Nixon -Hannah Nixon -Property -The President -Hughes -President's contact -1959 telephone call -Use of Boeing 707 on trip to the Soviet Union Connally Edward Kennedy -Speech -Vietnam -Nguyen Van Thieu -1972 election -Response by Republican leadership -Hugh Scott -Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends 46 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) -MacGregor -Speeches by Republican leaders -Noel C. Koch -Press coverage -Tone -Publication -Form -Civil rights -News summary -Reconstruction era -Dual school system -Lyndon B. Johnson’s record -Food stamps -Minority business enterprise -Record of President's administration -Budget message -Father Theodore S. Hesburgh -Catholics Congressional relations -The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC and Soviet Union -Forthcoming State of the Union address Liberals -Amos 'n Andy show -Attitude toward songs such as Dixie, Old Black Joe Blacks -Prejudice -Mayors -Carl B. Stokes compared to John V. Lindsay -Medgar Evers -Charles Evers -Fayette, Mississippi -Unknown official -Murder indictment -Charges Congressional relations -State of the Union speech 47 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 650-12 (cont.) Labor leaders' attitude towards the President -Connally -Arthur F. Burns -George Meany -Fitzsimmons -Peter J. Brennan -Construction Trades Union Drug issue -Pushers -Congress -Recesses Blake's book, Cecil's book Shultz and Ehrlichman left at 2:29 pm.