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Yeah.

We can't.

And it's so clear you were pursuing open channel negotiations too.

It isn't as if you were running around trying to make a secret diplomacy type business.

It was contrary to the position you were pursuing, the goal you were pursuing.

Pretty hard.

Oh, I heard a good talk with John Mason on the phone.

He has an awful lot of his business on the phone.

No.

Yeah.

No.

Bill, I want you to know that I just want to learn from the fact that you can, or we can, that you've been in the hospital.

I just wanted to wish you well and tell you that, well, there's probably a great deal of discomfort that I've never heard of anybody dying because of a back operation.

So how are you feeling?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Does it, uh, help your, uh, your headache then, then?

Isn't that something?

Did all those operations take place?

In the past, it was pretty tricky.

But, uh... Yeah.

All right.

Right.

Fine.

All right.

I'm sure glad to hear that.

I'm, uh, well, I'm sure you'll look forward to reading it.

I hope to.

Thank you, my friend.

Cold milk.

Take a breath.

He put his grandmother and his mother-in-law on his feet, six, and his grandmother was five.

It was dead.

Now, he was a whole son of a crow like Nelson.

It's still a great big deal that President Trump can call on nothing.

He couldn't call.

We're all ready.

We're ready to go.

John said he's locked up.

He's locked up.

We can keep him locked.

I want to keep him locked so that we can put him in.

I want to keep him locked.

Well, that's one we ought to be able to keep locked, because that's where his inclination goes anyway.

It's where he's in our face most of the time.

He likes me pretty, and he doesn't like that I'm random, because they all support his opponent.

He doesn't like blacks, and he doesn't think we do either, but there we are.

And John's going to show us a lot of stuff about John to keep him going, so...

Turns out, hey, boy, those Democrats, he can cause them some problems, because they're all sucking around trying to get him lined up.

That's one of the big sort of things, is you know, who will, who will.

There is always a battle for it.

I think it has to be a matter of just keep loose at the time.

President, if you shoot him off, it means you save him.

If you're going to keep loose, it's a pretty good manner.

Wait and see what the Democrats are going to make of it.

much more effective to walk the way to Lenin and just say he cannot.

He reluctantly, he can lead more Democrats over if he waits to Lenin and says, well, I didn't realize he was a Republican by trade.

You see?

Yeah.

He told her, he said he offered to run for Republican.

He said he was registered as a Republican.

He said he never voted for Democrats.

He wants for a change.

Probably he is.

He probably is.

And he changed his registration to Democrat in order to run the attack.

After Peter Scott and all those guys chopped him down, all of their hands.

Will it be him?

No, we can't take him.

We can't let him be caught.

That's it.

Whatever.

Just better for us, though.

Better for us.

I mean, as Democratic mayor, that's for you.

I guess what John says, he hates chaps.

These guys, I hate the people that have been against them.

They're going to have to really grow.

They're like any of the Democratic candidates.

He could be affected beyond Pennsylvania.

I think he makes the difference in Pennsylvania.

Just about cut and pulled out, he lost.

And he'll carry it, John.

He's the kind of guy who can rule the constituency with it.

He will.

Yeah, he will.

I'll let us show you polls and press.

It's going to help lots of different kinds of people.

I'm not a Florida chairman.

That's the head of the sheriff's office.

Yeah, he's a Democrat.

Why do we get so much pressure from polling?

We pull in a hell of a lot of leaders down there on that issue.

I mean, you've got a lot of stuff going on there that are, you know, that measure we're going to have to help on an arm's reach with this.

You have somebody to see.

I don't mind seeing somebody, but...

There isn't really anything that comes up.

You should at some point talk to Blanigan for a few minutes before we lock that.

All right.

You can do that in a second if you want to.

Because he has not talked with you about any of this.

I guess we're all set to move on that on Wednesday.

What day is it?

We're back by 8 degrees, didn't you say?

Spend two nights in Guam and then go back to spending three nights in Hawaii before you go on, you know, just to get more time at home.

I think that's right.

You can't, you know, feel right about it.

Two nights, as everybody justifies.

And the accommodations in Hawaii really boils down to two possibilities.

No, no.

Two possibilities.

One, there is a house

over near Rockefeller's hotel on a cab.

It's not Rockefeller's house.

It's the Roth house that is on the beach, which Rockefeller's is not.

It's very nice.

The problem is that it's just a thousand miles away from everybody else, which is going to look kind of odd as we get started.

They can't put the press there.

The alternative is the

And really, apparently very nice, and has a beach and all, is the commanding general's house at the Marine base out by where Pauley's Coconut Island is, which is on the backside of Oahu.

And you can land at the Marine base if you want to, if you want to avoid Oahu.

And it's a very, they say it's a beautiful house, beautiful view, and has a private beach.

get down to the beach, get some sun, and all that.

And you're on a base, so you don't have any people problems.

I think we'd better, we stay at the base both times, you know, and also you'll be able to secure a problem for the communications.

That's right.

And it makes it look more like a working thing than if you stayed at somebody's home.

Okay, private home.

Let's just decide that.

All right.

What was your, let's see, you're signing economic report.

I started reading this weekend.

But what have we decided?

Not this week.

Next week, this week, we're doing the leaders.

And the leaders are Wednesday.

And then the leaders are at 8 o'clock.

Right.

It's always a good idea.

All right, take it out.

Then what we ended up with was to wait until February 8th and have a chaplain and leaders at the same time, together, have a breakfast.

Now that is the day of the State of the World.

I don't know whether that makes any difference.

It's probably good.

state of the world, you don't want to make news out of the Republican leaders in the cabinet anyway.

Good.

And then that just ends that up.

And then you're clear.

There's a press conference on 10.

With a bipartisan vote.

Before the departure.

Good.

Lay it all on so they know they're coming.

Right.

We've got one thing this week that we can or don't need to do.

The general feeling is that the Construction Industry Committee meets on Friday.

They're going to meet at the Treasury Department.

No, no, I'm wrong.

That's the Productivity Commission.

Construction Industry is meeting at the Labor Department.

And this is a thing like the one you did a year ago, and this is something that could be put into the cabinet room, or that you could put an appearance in the cabinet room.

They're picking a 30- to 40-minute meeting if you went in with you at the time.

It just ties you to one good political labor area that you can touch base with that way easily if you want to.

To me, Friday this week, Friday afternoon.

So it's a thing you could do if you wanted.

They're not really pushing that you do it.

They're posing it as an opportunity for you that you feel you want to do it.

The meeting is going to happen anyway.

And it's the kind of thing where you can take advantage of it if you think it's useful to you or not.

If you don't, Colson, of course, is pushing for it politically.

Just working with the building trades people, construction industry people.

And we can wait a bit.

You know, you can decide, wait and decide.

The other one on the filly.

Super cynical viewpoint, and I just don't know I am, whether we're doing it or not.

The President's Desire of Israel has asked you to be the first person to accept from him a specially-bound set of the 16 running attempts of the Great Jewish Scholars work.

What this would involve is

And the publisher, the Jewish publisher and the American publisher, the three people come in and present you with this 16-volume encyclopedia, especially about on behalf of the president.

And what he's trying to do, I don't know whether it's worth playing the Jews thing off or not.

His plan is to present the first volume to you, the second one to the Pope, the third one to Queen Elizabeth.

And they're making quite a thing out of it, because it's a big history and cultural thing.

Henry doesn't have any.

We checked Henry just to see if he has any interest in it.

He doesn't recommend it.

He says there's no problem with doing it.

It's really whether you want to let Rameen in here or the Jewish publisher.

I think it's alright.

They get good Jewish press coverage and no coverage in the other press, it's probably worth doing.

But whatever we're doing, it's in its shovels that we're not blocking all that.

We don't do that.

We're going to have to, we're going to have to receive the Jewish war veterans.

Oh, here?

You had a good talk with Stan.

I'm going to see if anyone will follow up here.

Pope.

The New York Pope.

Yes, he did.

And he was...

There are those who disagree with the thesis that we still have to woo the Catholics.

Oh, hell.

I think they're wrong.

Hell, you've got to woo people every day, every week.

They think that now the Catholics, having gone through this 60 thing, are going to just vote like anyone else in their economic bracket.

I don't agree with that.

I think that the Catholics are going to vote for Catholics for a while to come yet, much as I would admit it.

Yeah.

And this is one good... No.

I guess that they... Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, let's do it.

I mean, I've told Tom that's a great idea.

I feel as a kind of principle in any question we make after, I think we ought to say thorough solstice.

Yeah, I don't think it'll happen this year.

You suggested the card.

The other thing that could be different this time is that last time around, led by Cushing, the hierarchy very clearly had a preference.

And this time, I have a strong...

hunch that that won't be the case.

Cook, for instance, has made it very clear to me that he just wouldn't be for Muskie, that he'll be for the president.

And I think that that'll go down about halfway or three-quarters of the way.

And then you'll get hit the nut fringe

in the hierarchy the fellas who did pass that resolution mr president which was not as easy as cook tried to tell you it was and uh he did he tried and then we'll never get them we'll get them anyway well i just uh

I'm particularly anxious to follow up with a comment that goes to your position.

The reason that I, you know, I know this position that you've been talking about is because it's a promise, and it's a great promise, and it's the kind of book we have to want.

On the other hand, there is a very great need for somebody to take this, who will do it as an inside man, rather than as a self-starter, trying to build up a new constituency.

And particularly somebody who will do it who has confidence,

For better or for worse, he's got to be the international foe.

He doesn't understand.

He knows he can't wheel apartments around.

He knows the White House has to do it.

Now, speaking in other terms, where the apartment fact is, what I had in mind is that

I want to keep out of Henry's shop all of these economic things.

We started that way with Peterson.

But Peterson's stuff was so convoluted and lengthy by the time I got in here that I finally, in desperation, began to get back through Kissinger's shop.

Now Henry's shop is not qualified to move these things.

They're qualified to give a political judgment.

The other thing is that that just puts one other area where Henry's fighting the state, and also a potential area where he could get cross-strikes with Conley, which I do not want to have happen.

What I want to do is take all of the economic stuff, expropriation, trade, et cetera, that comes across through the White House and put it in the airship in this office.

Now, you will handle it as a skillful broker, you see.

You must be sure that Henry's clear with it.

But you handle it.

Also, you must handle it so that Connolly feels that you are doing what he feels is right.

That doesn't mean that Connolly will

He wants to do what I want him to do, except that I cannot get into every nut and bolt of these damn things.

I don't know anything about this stuff, or nothing about it myself.

The economy has strong convictions about everything, about trade, about exploitation, about loans, about what you should make, about exploiting important banks, about, for example, the other area that is now going to become extremely active, particularly in this new government.

Russian sun will be east-westerly.

I cannot have that handled by Peterson.

In other words, he can carry it out.

But the decision regarding what we did and how much it went is a very important political decision that I'd also like Henry to handle because, you see, the only fight that he's into in the fight is now.

The additional thing, which you mentioned in talking about the machines for the first time, which you probably have a billable staff for, is this idea, which I think is a hell of a good one, of developing some kind of a system whereby we take the underdeveloped countries of the world, the natural resources country,

and do what the Japanese are doing in some of the European countries, develop our alliance, you know, to, you know, you heard Connie talk about this issue.

I don't know how much we've done.

I know how much of a very, very damn rule is being done in the present time.

We just talked about it.

And, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the situation, the, uh, is, uh,

It isn't a job that I would wish upon anybody.

It's an act of friendship.

But it is one that is indispensable.

And you can't give that to Al.

He's not sophisticated enough.

And he wouldn't have comics confidence yet.

And he doesn't have any confidence.

The other thing which I think is

I would like you to take this kind of assignment, which will have, of course, a considerable amount of disability compared to what you previously joined.

So that you then, with all the reputation in the area, you know, select

we can then move you into a position where you are outside of the White House, which area remains to be seen.

But wherever it is, whether it's an area of state or territory or what have you,

I would see this as a very conspicuous one.

Then, basically, you will have a three-letter story that you've always thought you'd have an action supporting.

It's three in terms of substance.

Kissinger on political matters and her action.

Lanigan on economic matters and her action.

Early on, on domestic matters.

And all of them are some operational matters in terms of the health of all the things.

Now, it seems to me that it's a thing which is not thought through.

And frankly, what you presently are doing is extremely valuable.

And it may be that what we will have to do is probably continue to hear other things, or maybe

We talked about that .

It may be that we could make more use of a like Malik.

I think we can.

Malik can't say, put him in your orbit so that he can handle that sort of thing.

He seems to be a very bottom-down behavior guy.

But hence, I would say, for example, on ambassadors, that I would continue to have the handle on ambassadors.

I said, who the hell are these people?

I don't know, Somalia, or another, whether it was Tobacco, or I don't know who the hell was there.

Then I found one of them was some guy that was kicked out of another country.

You know what I mean.

Some of them can sort of just dry up.

Some of them can be taken over by other people very logically.

And some of them, they should stay on top.

There's only one, well, to get to the, on the other thing, Mr. President, I'm sure Bob has discussed the thing with you that he and I have discussed at length.

And I'm delighted to do it, and I will, no reason to go on no further.

I think the sound...

The council was a good idea.

It hasn't been working quite perhaps as it should, but I think that in time.

But it didn't work because we had a square.

They were a very fine guy.

I think that's exactly right.

And to the extent that there are refuges, they can work out, if John and I can work out, and I have every reason to think we can.

I enjoy him.

I believe he thinks so.

What I would like for you to do, to be frank with you, the economy has got too much to do.

You can't do them all well.

There's more things to other homes than anybody I know.

But if you could think as Congress and be his man, understand, basically mine,

opinion on virtually 99% of the international economy, which is closer to the continents than there is to the states, or that it will probably be in Pearson.

I don't know which one, because I think you understand.

Now, I think that you could, and I think yours is true, philosophically.

I don't mean by that that you take Conley's horseback opinions and just take that as gospel.

You've got to lead it.

I mean, you do some work to prepare him.

But once you get Connery sold on something, he is a tremendously potent man.

Now, he needs that.

And he's got those guys at Treasury, some of them are dependable, some of them are not.

And I think that you can learn from him.

But also, I think, frankly, the relationship was good for him.

I think it was good for you.

I think you're moving with Conley, getting a, well, I just have a feeling that Conley is a, that Conley is potentially a very good man for any viral organization already that's moving with the population of the government.

There isn't a guy rather than the explosion to come.

He knows more moves than most people do.

Yes.

He's forgotten.

He's named effective.

And he's great inside and outside.

And to the extent that presents some problems by virtue of how this thing's supposed to work, I'm sure in any event we can work it out and I think we can do the job.

The only exposed spot that gives me some pause because of the time it takes is the business of seeing businessmen.

And people say, well, and Pete says, you know, already said, I don't like the way the job of commerce is diluted by people thinking that the white house is where they should come.

Well, it's all very well for him to feel that way, but these people shouldn't be denied

a chance to come to the White House.

And the person they see has to be somebody that they think has a certain amount of stroke and has a certain empathy for their position.

But you ought to continue that.

I think this ties right into that.

I think you, like other German business people, should be a good governance.

Virtually all the business people you would see are people that are going to be involved in international affairs.

That's correct.

They're big business, aren't they?

Yes, they are.

Take the candles and the watts.

On all the airline people.

It's just a terrible time-consuming thing because all of them think that they're a particular problem.

How about that?

Do you have anybody in mind?

that you could have at your alter ego who would satisfy their, to some extent.

You shouldn't see them all.

Well, I could share on a lot of this domestic stuff with, uh... Out here.

Who?

They, I wouldn't... Well, John, John Erdman sees a lot of them, but if he could, if he could take a few of them, he's just brilliantly good with them.

I know that.

Well, he likes to see them.

The question is, how much time?

And if George will see some more of them.

Oh, George Schultz likes to send people to sky?

As we go into the political year, I think all of those people can and will.

All right.

Why don't we bring up the policy kind of development?

Why don't we do this?

Why don't you sit down in the staff meeting?

You get the group together.

I think there are people who want you to mention.

George also would be interested.

Oh, wonderful.

He's good, but you have to pick the guy.

He has to be a little more scholarly.

I'll tell you how to tell it.

Rummy.

To the extent Rummy can see him, and particularly in his position.

Perfect.

Well, Finch doesn't... Yeah, the West Coast doesn't...

But that's the only one that is time consuming and that I can't either do myself or

or assigned to the domestic cancer OMB.

Colson works very well with labor people.

And with the associations.

And he does do some business, too.

He's better at associations than the previous leader.

He's damn good with that.

He could be brought into the circus.

The point is, who's going to run?

I think what you need...

Are you able to run from this, do both things?

What I mean is, when I say run, what I mean is, so the guy comes in, who's going to determine who he sees?

Who's going to determine who makes the telephone calls?

Can you divide them up?

You see what I mean?

You or your officer.

Sure.

Yes.

You've got a pretty good staff in your office.

And it's definitely, here's an opportunity that I think people ought to use.

In this case, I don't know.

I wouldn't have said this to Peterson, but I would say that if you build yourself on this map, if you don't try to pin them around here, you may find some damn good people.

I'm trying to leave this house.

This thing has never gotten financed, so we're still living on the largesse of the departments.

And I don't know whether you want to take it to the mat on the hill this year, because...

I wouldn't take it to the hill.

Just let me go without going there.

Right, but if it doesn't, I...

If it doesn't, we just leave it the way it is.

It's the foreign relations...

If we can, on the other side of it, we can repress some staff that are on White House staff.

Now, we can leave some staff on White House staff.

In other words, we're not going to be replacing you with Alan East.

No, I don't think he will.

And I don't think, probably, you want him to get out.

I don't think I'd want him as my deputy, or sole deputy, and I don't think he'd stay, otherwise.

No, he wouldn't.

I think we can use Alan East...

You know Bob, in a lot of these places you don't have to have a job.

You know, they agree too.

I'll tell you a place that he would die to be an ambassador to, but it's too good to let go at this juncture is Portugal.

Who's getting it now?

No one yet, but we haven't got Ridgway Knight out of there, but we can take it any time we want.

Who's Ridgway Knight?

He's a career officer who's finishing out his career, and he's finished it.

Oh, he's done enough.

Well, it's worth something.

He's a very important person.

I want to make the best of him.

I think he's a guy we can get some value out of.

He is, incidentally, also a veteran and talked to businessmen.

That's what he's doing for me.

That's right.

And if he would stay with me and do that, I'd leave him.

For that purpose.

Mm-hmm.

Or maybe he's asked to see me because he's got us on the wind's blowing here.

Let me just smoke him out and see how it is.

Maybe put him on your staff for this.

I agree that you've got to have the job done.

Colin might be pretty good at it.

That's what he's doing fantastic.

He's listening to people and he's pretty good at that.

He's very good at that.

And he's imposing, you know, he sounds intelligent, smart, knowledgeable, knows his way around government.

Uh-huh.

But the, uh...

I think what Peter's raised, though,

And at the point of view about us, they don't distinguish as they should between the administration

to Congress and the regulatory agencies, but nevertheless, that's the view that's there, and we have to learn to deal with it.

Yes, they'd like to be here.

Yes.

That's what I mean when it's worth getting out and saying, do this, do that, do that, and fine for it.

Yeah.

That's right.

Portsmouth is a lovely place to be.

It's a beautiful country.

It's interesting to get down in Africa to go to Mozambique and Bangola.

It's a natural.

The only problem is that it's too good.

There's one that you can really... Oh, the best.

Well, maybe.

And I wouldn't buy a price.

Yeah, but what I want is, you know, you don't have to, I'm sure of the answer, you don't have to tell them which one.

Yeah, well, I'll just say that there are several folks just posted for you afterwards.

Would you, did you find one for what are they again?

I haven't yet, Mr. President.

I, do I understand that, uh, that, uh, that fellow's coming home from Sweden to take bunches, route bunches, posts?

Uh, y'all have anything for me?

Do you want Corey to get a post badly enough to

forces down Roger's throat.

We've got to force him.

Corey's got to have a job.

I've got him a job as a consultant in Oakland.

I know.

He didn't accomplish anything, so nobody knows what was done.

He screwed it up.

I think he did.

He also goes strongly backed by the right wing for some reason.

Okay.

Irving, Crystal,

Bill Buckley.

Bill Buckley and people like that.

Well, we can either do something with them, like let them be a consultant to the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, which we'll just tell them they've got to keep on as a consultant through the end of the year, which is a nothing job.

Or if we wanted to give them something like Salon, which is open, you would just have to lean on Bill, because Henry can't do it, and I can't do it.

Maybe Bob could do it, but he said no.

He told this fellow he's out.

They're not going to find him.

Time is up.

Why?

Because of Cory?

I guess because Cory loused this up.

He thinks that since he was a Kennedy fellow and brought in by Kennedy, we don't have any obligation.

And because, I'm told, he recommended taking some of these economic things out of state when he was asked to some time ago, and I'm very happy.

Well, Carter is the guy who writes memoranda and all that sort of thing, and he raised all of this.

He's the only one who thought the State Department was accurate.

The Department here is right.

The problem is, if he isn't given gainful employment for the next year, he's going to turn to his trade, which is right.

And the best next one to write is something we just wrote.

How we screwed up just don't want him to write.

If that's all it is...

The key point is, you've got to keep the guy

employed through the election, after the election, he couldn't care less.

Well, supposing I tell Brad Mills he's just got to keep him on as a consultant to get him out of town.

Well, will Corey stay as a consultant?

Is he willing to accept that?

Brad Mills runs his overseas private investment corporation, and he's got him on now labeled first at our request.

He likes Corey.

He thinks Corey's good.

Well, Corey is.

If Corey will keep him, then if he can't keep him there, if he can't settle for that, that's better.

All right.

And then we go ahead and press them.

We have a plea to do that.

And tell them to make a help.

I'll tell you what you do.

How do you make a study in there of that business of what companies think about how do we get the raw materials that we're involved with?

Why come to the United States?

Really?

Sure.

Why not?

You ever meet Cory?

Never met him.

You've got to admit, he's smart as hell.

Very magic.

Very, I mean, artistic.

And very...

somewhat emotional and so forth but he's a he's a way above the accurate shape of it.

Maybe the thing for me to do is to let Brad Mills pay him and use him since I have to get people detailed to me if he's good enough and reliable enough.

Ask him to work for me?

He could.

I think he could work for you.

I think he could certainly come up with some very good and imaginative stuff.

All right.

Dan's imagining stuff.

But you meet him first.

All right.

You get him in.

You better meet him sometime because he's damn impressed.

All right.

Corby is no slouch.

I'm all wow.

Good.

One other question.

All right.

We got turned down by Clemens on Germany.

I tried to text Gordon again to see if he was...

He won't do it.

No, he...

So thinking of people...

I have no idea.

I've been looking for...

Yes.

How about Dick Patrick?

He's fine.

All right, let me try.

You can't get going down that list, I don't suppose, all the way or... No.

You've been down that track.

All right.

How about, uh... How about Brett Kavanaugh?

He's too old, Mr. President.

Too old?

Yes, he's really... And besides that, according to Ken Rush, Brandt is a convinced socialist.

All the businessmen hate him.

And if you take one of the businessmen who runs with businessmen, if you know what I mean,

they can get on the wrong side of Grant, as I'm told.

Well, Hatchet's a hell of a guy.

Oh, yes, sir.

I think he's... What does he do now?

He still runs that firm, that consultant firm, but it was just bought by the first National City Bank.

But he was on the National, so to speak.

Yes, he was.

And I have... My instinct on this is to turn John Connery loose on him and ask John to call him and tell him how important this spot is and see if he'll...

If he would work closely with Conley.

He'd work with Conley on the F Council.

Why don't you call Conley right now and ask him what he thinks of that?

Well, I know what Conley thinks.

He thinks he's a good idea.

Did you ask him?

Yes, I did.

Why don't I call him in time?

One of their fellows is Pat Haggard.

Pat Haggard.

Do you want to build on him?

Yeah, yeah.

Pat Haggard, please.

I don't think he's going to write up a guy with him on the plane talking about this and the...

And he points out that Pat Haggard has turned over the bulk of my sentiments to somebody else.

And he's not sure he wouldn't do it.

Oh, he's young enough.

Yeah.

That would be better.

Even a little better.

He's more of a scholar than all the other pageants.

I saw a pageant at this luncheon, which is what brought it to mind, so I said, John, how about it?

He seemed to think it would if he'd take it.

Another fellow, if he wanted to get away from a businessman because of this feeling yesterday.

How about Alan Wallace?

He'd be fine.

He'd be taken.

But he'd come.

He'd be gone.

Not a bad idea.

Well, Alan Wallace.

I'll tell you, I think that fellow Bill McGill is going to support him.

I like him.

He was down here.

He is a superb guy.

He's in Columbia.

He was down in Boston.

He was in San Diego.

He took over that Columbia thing.

He's done a good job.

Well, of course it's a good job, right?

I mean, it's a good job.

It's a damn important job.

Germany is the most important job in Europe, everybody knows that.

Rush was fascinated by it.

Von is a horrible place.

Rush says he loves Von.

Rush said, he said, I hate leaving.

I can't understand that.

I would think so.

Who was the State Department pushing?

They got any candidates?

No, they've given up that pushing on those that we say are ours.

Hope Willis ever want to read what he's doing?

He's clearly our fellow.

He's diplomatic, that's what he does.

Wouldn't he?

I just don't know what his situation is to know this.

How's the digest doing?

It's good.

It's doing so well.

It's still a weird... Oh, yeah.

A money tree.

They've got problems with their mail rates.

They'll solve that.

I never thought of Lewis.

We think of guys like that.

Of course, he's pretty useful to us around here, isn't he?

Yeah, he is.

running that community with prosperity?

Well, he does.

He also, he knows an awful lot of stuff in the New Readers' Digest.

Yeah.

He knows people, too.

And that reaches a lot of people in our publishing business that sort of talks our game up.

He gives the answers around in New York.

That's right.

Can't take anybody in California.

God damn, that's great.

It's awesome.

It's marvelous with all those bright people who are in the head.

Henry Salvatore?

Well, yeah, he wants to go to Rome.

Yeah, sure.

I want to.

I want to go there.

He might go to Germany.

Get a good ride, wouldn't he?

Jesus Christ, he'd go there.

He'd end house politics, but quick.

And the business community hates him.

If you get a real businessman who tends to run with the businessman, he'd be known as being on the other side of the fence.

Yeah, Woody?

When he's been on the Farm Intelligence Advisory Board, so he knows that kind of thing, he's worked with Henry.

No, Herky will be fine.

He's been handling it.

Dr. Pitt, you mentioned it first, but you said it a lot.

He might like to get him off the phone and tell him to brush it away.

He's a medical doctor.

He's not a professor.

No.

He's more diplomatic.

Well, you'll try John on these before we try Alan Wallace, sir.

or anybody else.

God, I hate it.

We should pick an investment.

We should.

I, I, I'll, I, well, it's true.

It is a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different, it's a different,

He's got to be a prestigious kind of guy.

Yes, and considered to be...

I think Patrick would be the best.

He has an international business.

He's smooth as silk.

He is.

Quiet, but very tough.

Right.

He's a very hard guy inside.

Yes, sir.

He's good.

He was pretty steamy when he came down.

What's the name of his company?

I don't know.

Now owned by the First National City Bank.

Is it one of the top two or three?

Yes.

Dwight McKinley Company.

I think Old Stein is doing well, isn't he?

Yes, sir.

He's doing a lot better than Bob.

Of course, a lot of that.

He has a personality.

He's got balls.

His wife is something else.

He's smarter.

She writes letters.

She kept tugging my sleeve.

Anytime I talked to somebody else, she'd tug my sleeve.

She'd say, I know I'm barring you to death, but there are a couple more things I've got to cover.

She'd start in on some other report.

She hates the press.

And she calls Eric Samurai after his broadcast and chews his ass out for getting something wrong.

Is that true?

Mm-hmm.

And she calls the local station and she says, I got it all fixed up.

Herb says I'm going to get caught, but I always have my maiden name.

I'm going to get caught.

But she is smart.

God, she sees through all this stuff.

She's very great.

Just vicious as hell.

She just needs it.

You haven't met the third one that's coming on, Marina Whitman, have you?

Well, if we can get her kids in school, we can.

She's 35.

She's now a professor at Pittsburgh.

She was on the staff over here until a year ago of the CEA.

She's a very attractive gal.

She's now on the Price Commission.

For God's sake, why can't we get her?

Because we need a job for her husband.

And we've got him a fellowship from the Foundation for the Humanities.

And we've got to get her kids in school.

That's the problem.

I told Stein to get hold of him and to get him into Sidwell Friends, and he said, oh, no, no, no, not me.

Her father was John Van Luymen.

Do you recall that name?

Who's the smartest fellow that ever was?

A wonderful man.

He is supposedly, he was a better mathematician than Einstein.

And she says, these two kids of hers, she says one of them is a genius and the other is really smart.

Well, Sidwell, they'll eat him up like a, see if my kid has trouble getting him because he is.

And Sidwell is so over psyched towards intellectual, liberal intellectualism, it's sickening.

Our kids, I'm kind of sorry I have a kid in there, but it worked out pretty well for him.

Oh, and they get 25 National Merit scholarships out of a class of 100.

It's an incredible school.

I can't imagine that we can't.

As of now, they said they don't have spots at all.

Yeah, but this guy, they're completely social climbing.

He told him that John Van Norman had grandchildren.

That's right.

He wrote to the woman and gave great credit to the school.

Have you talked to Bill?

No, Hurt said he was going to, but I'll find out if he did.

Bill wanted to do it because he was going to see Bill and Adele.

Adele still is, I think.

No, wait a minute.

I thought you said Bill Rogers.

I thought you said Rogers Morton is what he told you.

No, no, no.

Bill Rogers.

Okay.

You called Bill Rogers.

Sure.

If you tell them that I consider her, John, or call Adele, maybe not start with Adele, I'm calling Adele first, that this is John von Neumann's daughter.

These are two kids that are geniuses, and they ought to be fated to get to him.

We've got to be the first appointment ever of a woman that's a member of the Council of Economic Advisers.

We would like, we've got to get them into Sidwell's friends.

We need to meet you.

Sure.

The thing that I like about it is she's going to be the one on foreign economics.

Tell her to get Sidwell a foundation grant for $25,000 for some kind of research.

Yeah.

And we'll buy them off.

They're a total whore.

Yeah.

And she is as well.

The president is personally interested in the sequence.

I don't know whether that will help or not.

I will think on that.

That might hurt.

Well, he did as well as say the president's advice.

All right.

This is a very good point.

What a great thing it would be for the school to have these teachers in there and be associated with this family and all that.

All right.

But things go on and on.

I couldn't get this one kid into any school.

So Bill Rogers called and said, you have to let him in.

And they did.

John von Weimann's daughter.

Yes, sir.

She was very much younger than that.

She was very young.

He was, which is surprising, because I thought he died in his 40s.

He was young.

But anyway, she said it wasn't until the end of his life that I really began to appreciate him.

But at that point, she said, I did my best to get to know him.

He was an extraordinary man.

I can tell.

And he just suddenly got cancer.

Yes, and all through his declining...

health, he took medical notes trying to find help in the cancer research business.

That would be a good appointment if we could swing that.

He's an English professor.

He's been writing a book on, I don't know who, Marlowe, I think, forever.

So we got this new fellow at the Foundation for the Humanities to give him a grant.

So we gave him a grant.

We never got what the hell is what the humanities is.

That's the other half of what Nancy Hanks is.

It's the arts and the humanities.

We've said that over and over.

No, no, no.

We just...

But we've put this guy, Donald Bernie, in it.

He's the only real conservative in our...

The only real conservative academic.

How the hell did we get such a guy?

Well, we did a lot of love.

We looked at 800 liberals and finally found a conservative and he took it.

He took it.

He has great academic qualifications.

He's not enabled by the academics.

And he said, you know, don't you really feel the appointment of a woman in the Council of God?

I just like the idea, you know, he tried it at court, the confession struck out.

But putting him on the Council is a very intriguing idea.

Yes, it's smart.

It's a place that has always been a man's post.

And to put a woman in it is disgusting.

I believe it's essential to make breakthroughs, that there should be no traditional men's positions.

This is a very, very closely knit group, and it's one of three of the top presidents, top advisors, and there should be a woman in that post.

See, she's not a desiccated old bookworm, either.

She's a very attractive, yeah.

She's a qualified woman.

She isn't just getting, she's a woman.

She's getting an American experience, ability, all that.

Is she?

Oh, yes.

You bet.

Really?

You bet.

She is doggone attractive.

Huh?

So you're watching on to her.

Why don't you tell Bill Rogers anything else?

I won't tell Adele, no.

You tell Adele.

You've got to have her.

All right.

And Bill, if she says Candace is the one, then have Bill with her.

All right.

I think you're the two, and that's the strongest, strong point I have over that.

It's a terrible thing.

It was an exciting thing.

It was my idea.

Yes, I felt the same.

We wanted the Council of Economic Advisers.

We couldn't make the court.

This is a brave group of enormous supporters.

The most brave woman in the building right up in the sky, Vaughn Wyman's daughter, and her two kids are super geniuses.

Exactly the stuff that appeals to Sid Roth.

Good.

I'll try to get a pageant with Vaughn.

Thank you.

Okay, when are you going to announce the shift over to Congress?

Well, apparently Wednesday they're talking about it.

I guess should we do all three at the same time?

I think the plan now is to do it on Wednesday.

It's a lousy job, you shouldn't take it.

I told everybody, I said, it's a lousy damn job.

I told that poor guy that's going to Japan.

He's nice, Paul.

He's very cool.

You said that.

But he's a wonderful man.

He'll do a good job.

He's good.

Straight up.

Just what he's told.

Yeah.

And we'll take just enough time out of this other one to stir the political process a little now and then.

Peter will take just enough time out of his new job to get into the political.

Thank you.

Oh, thank you.

Appreciate you joining us.

Yes, sir.

You'll have time to ski.

I'll try to do that one.

Hey, you heard that?

Why don't you go over to Garfish and ski?

Oh, I'm not going to serve people.

That's exactly what he's doing.

See?

He doesn't want it.

He knows he's only doing it for that role.

That's what they've got to do.

But on the other hand, they can't.

Because, in my opinion, because we'll get him out of the path he has to live in.

It's a very substantive position where he can build a hell of a reputation.

And he can move over and be, you know...

Because it's been ridiculous.

They didn't feel you could be undersecretary of the trade union, and you could be undersecretary of the state.

Well, they should have been either.

You know what I mean?

After this, there will be no question you can be the girls or you can be the cat in the box.

You know?

That's what I have to say.

That's it.

We've got about 50 pieces.

All right.

Very good.

All good.

I don't think we have anything to respond on, on the problem keeping.

No, there's no problem keeping.

This standing speech is 20 minutes.

Are you going to do the bipartisan leaders open it, or do it, or what?

Well, I have to open it and let them do the reading.

I suppose I have to say it.

I don't think you do.

You're coming on TV, and I need to understand that.

You can't do it on the floor, because you don't want to knock on hundreds of engines.

And I'll say, look, I have to go on and get prepared for TV, and I just want to talk to you.

I just thought I would.

to be the President of the Chinese Communist Party, to deal with some of you who probably gathered from my statements.

But I may be like a few of you on the press that I think you've had to negotiate with and acknowledge in action.

We'll probably work in that sense, as there will be getting very much of a history of this travesty, the Aristotle travesty, and the other pillars along the way.

So we made an offer that if one of all of you could support

I'm going to make a lot of time to try to figure out where he should have gone.

That's exactly right.

You shouldn't be there and wobble around in it before you go out to the TV.

And what we'll do is pass the time first thing in the morning.

And hopefully have it at an answer to the 11 at the briefing.

Is that all right?

Very good.

So we get the, we're going to start getting some little extra in the day.

What are you going to say to somebody in the presence of the Lord?

I said, get it on.