Conversation: 659-006
Prev: 659-005 Next: 659-007Start Date: Friday, January 28, 1972 5:34 PM
End Date: Friday, January 28, 1972 6:21 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Bull, Stephen B.; Fisher, Max M.; Rabin, Yitzhak; Kaplan, Jeremiah; Stein, Herbert; Goldberg, Lawrence Y.; White House photographerRecording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:01:52
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:49:58
NARA Description:
On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Stephen B. Bull, Max M. Fisher, Yitzhak Rabin, Jeremiah Kaplan, Herbert Stein, Lawrence Y. Goldberg, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 1:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 659-006 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 659-6
Date: January 28, 1972
Time: 12:34 pm - 1:21 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Stephen B. Bull.
Presentation of Encyclopedia Judaica
-Ceremony
-Max M. Fisher
-Photograph session
-Yitzhak Rabin
Bull left at 12:35 pm.
School memorandum from the President
-Ehrlichman’s meeting with John N. Mitchell, Elliot L. Richardson and George P.
Shultz
-Timing
Fisher entered at 12:35 pm.
[Photograph session]
Introduction
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Encyclopedia Judaica
-Fisher inclusion
-Location
-Index
-Workmanship
Vietnam
-The President’s peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
-Status of negotiations
-The President’s position
-Surrender
-Communist government in South Vietnam
-Resignation of Nguyen Van Thieu
Yitzhak Rabin, Chaim Herzog, Jeremiah Kaplan, Herbert Stein and Lawrence Y. Goldberg
entered at 12:37 pm; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.
Greetings and introductions
-Keter Publishing House
-MacMillan Company, Incorporated
Encyclopedia Judaica presentation
-Description of volumes
-Writing
-Publishing
-Scholarship
-Significance of work
-Reasons for writing
-Heritage, tradition, history, culture
-Liberty, equality
-Common heritage of Israel, US
-Role of US in Israeli history
-Peacemaking, defense
-Israel’s gratitude
-[Photograph session]
-US heritage
-Diversity
-US commitment to Israel
-Middle East peace
-Israel’s independence
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Presentation of bookmarks
-Presidential seal
-Stein
-Council of Economic Advisers [CEA]
-Preparation
-Time required
-The President’s travel experience
-Argentine Jews
-Appreciation
-Presentation to Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli [Pope John XXIII] and [Elizabeth, Queen
of England] Elizabeth II
-Unknown person
Maurice H. Stans
Fisher, et al., except Ehrlichman, left at 12:46 pm.
Ehrlichman’s schedule
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Frederick R. Kappel Commission
-Appointment
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Reason
-Probe of executive, judicial, congressional salaries
-Administration position
-1972 election
-Possible commission
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Budget deficit
-Salary revision
-Post-election action
Congressional relations
-Cease and desist portion of Equal Employment Opportunity Commission [EEOC]
legislation
-H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s talk with Ehrlichman
-Position
-Veto
-Southern strategy
-Disposition of bill
-Peter H. Dominick amendment
-Court action
-Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.’s filibuster threat
-Rev. Theodore S. Hesburgh
-The President’s position
-Filibuster
-Clarity of position
-Constitutional amendment on busing
-The President’s memorandum
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Edward L. Morgan
-Legislation
-Need for action
-Leonard Garment
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Supreme Court
-Make-up
-Trust
-Effect
-Housing
-Schools
-Busing
-Offer
-Strategy session
-Camp David
Housing
-George W. Romney’s schedule
-Five city tour
-Message
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Central city problem
-Suburban housing
-Romney
-Recent meeting with Ehrlichman
-Political insensitivity
-Richard C. Van Dusen
-Romney’s possible goals
-Political
-Vice presidency
-Mayor of Detroit
-Personal
-Housing
-Jews
-Frank L. Rizzo’s election
-Jews and blacks
-Long Island problems
-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Romney
-Racial impact of Romney’s action
-Political impact of Romney tour
-Romney
-Appointment difficulty
-As governor
-Van Dusen’s role
-Constitution
Busing
-The President’s memorandum on amendment
-Race
-Distribution
-Garment
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Dynamics of change
-History
-Abraham Lincoln
-Pragmatism
-Emancipation Proclamation
-Motivation
-Amnesty
-Motivation
-Cabinet
-Personality
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Union
-Strategy for change
-William T. Coleman, Jr. [?]
-Supreme Court
-Professionalism
-Prospective action
-Reason
-Legal basis of decision
-Racial mixing
-Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Herbert Brownell
-Brief
-Earl Warren
-Coleman
-Richard M. Scammon’s views
-Political orientation
-Racism
-Education
-Racism
-Housing
-Cities
-Colonialism
-Decision
-Prospects
-Influences
-Social factors, press
-Washington, DC
-Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
-Constitutional amendment
-Work program
-Mitchell, Richardson, Shultz
-Morgan’s role
-Legal assistants
-Political volatility
-Necessity for honesty
-Food stamps
-Completion of work
-Timing
-The President’s schedule
-Political events
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Forthcoming testimony by Mitchell, Richardson
-Emanuel Celler Committee
-Lincoln’s birthday
-The President’s schedule
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Housing
-Court action
-Feasibility
-Congressional action
-Unpredictability
-Amendment action
-Form
-Possible perception of administration
-White Paper publication
-Court decisions
-Facts
-Passions
-Results
-Method
-School financing
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Value Added Taxes [VAT]
-Money
-Equality of distribution
-Problems
-Need for totality
-Congressional leadership meeting
-Federal government promotions
-Race
-Shultz
-Gordon L. Allott
-Compared to television industry
-Allott
-Interior Department
-Race problems
-Romney’s reaction to talk with Ehrlichman
VAT
-Real estate taxes
-1972 campaign
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Details
-Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR] role
-Timing of possible action
-Republican Convention
-Election
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s feeling
-Ehrlichman’s feeling
-Bipartisan report
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with John B. Connally
-Property taxes
-Tax reform
-Politics
-Media influence
-Congressional consultation
-State of the Union address
-Briefing
-Blue collar taxes
-Reaction
-Deficit
-As an issue
-Republican concern
-New taxes
-Reaction
-Deficits
-Political opponents
-Domestic and defense spending
-Inflation
-Relation to deficit spending
-Shultz’s chart
-Reaction of conservative Republicans
-Jobs
Bicentennial
-Philadelphia
-David J. Mahoney, Jr.’s role
-Model
-Funding
-Congressional appropriations
-Bicentennial parks
-Location
-States
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Use
-Shows, displays
-Permanence
-Benefits
-Public works
-Cost
-Federal land
-The President’s approval
-View of model
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB] consideration
-Location
-Funding
-Purpose
-Focus on Bicentennial
-Activities
-Year round use
-Problems
-Television
Forthcoming dinner [for DeWitt and Lila Wallace]
-Guests
-Magazine people
Postal subsidy
-Magazine postage
-Elmer T. (“Ted”) Klassen
-US Post Office
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Legislation’s prospects
-Administration support
-Lewis
Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Congressional enthusiasm
-William M. Magruder’s advice
-1972 election
-Magruder’s role
-Selling planes
-State Department role
-Stephen M. Boyd
-Public relations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)
-Strength as political issue
-Second term strategy
-Necessity of program
-Compared to moon mission
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Denver visit
-Reason
-Children’s camp charity
-Weather
-Seattle
Ehrlichman left at 1:21 pm.