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Start Date: 28-Jan-1972 12:34 PM

End Date: 28-Jan-1972 1:21 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Bull, Stephen B.Fisher, Max M.Rabin, YitzhakKaplan, JeremiahStein, HerbertGoldberg, Lawrence Y.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:01:52

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:49:58

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NARA Description:

On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Stephen B. Bull, Max M. Fisher, Yitzhak Rabin, Jeremiah Kaplan, Herbert Stein, Lawrence Y. Goldberg, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:34 pm to 1:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 659-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 659-6

Date: January 28, 1972
Time: 12:34 pm - 1:21 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Stephen B. Bull.

     Presentation of Encyclopedia Judaica
          -Ceremony
                -Max M. Fisher
                -Photograph session
                -Yitzhak Rabin


Bull left at 12:35 pm.

     School memorandum from the President
         -Ehrlichman’s meeting with John N. Mitchell, Elliot L. Richardson and George P.
               Shultz
               -Timing

Fisher entered at 12:35 pm.

     [Photograph session]

     Introduction
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)




     Encyclopedia Judaica
          -Fisher inclusion
               -Location
                      -Index
          -Workmanship

     Vietnam
          -The President’s peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
          -Status of negotiations
                -The President’s position
                      -Surrender
                      -Communist government in South Vietnam
                      -Resignation of Nguyen Van Thieu

Yitzhak Rabin, Chaim Herzog, Jeremiah Kaplan, Herbert Stein and Lawrence Y. Goldberg
entered at 12:37 pm; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Greetings and introductions
          -Keter Publishing House
          -MacMillan Company, Incorporated

     Encyclopedia Judaica presentation
          -Description of volumes
          -Writing
          -Publishing
          -Scholarship
               -Significance of work
          -Reasons for writing
               -Heritage, tradition, history, culture
               -Liberty, equality
          -Common heritage of Israel, US
          -Role of US in Israeli history
               -Peacemaking, defense
                     -Israel’s gratitude
          -[Photograph session]
          -US heritage
               -Diversity
          -US commitment to Israel
               -Middle East peace
               -Israel’s independence
                                                 23

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                         Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


           -Presentation of bookmarks
                -Presidential seal
                -Stein
                      -Council of Economic Advisers [CEA]
           -Preparation
                -Time required
           -The President’s travel experience
                -Argentine Jews
           -Appreciation
           -Presentation to Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli [Pope John XXIII] and [Elizabeth, Queen
                 of England] Elizabeth II
           -Unknown person

     Maurice H. Stans


Fisher, et al., except Ehrlichman, left at 12:46 pm.

     Ehrlichman’s schedule


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     Frederick R. Kappel Commission
          -Appointment
                -Lyndon B. Johnson
                -Reason
                     -Probe of executive, judicial, congressional salaries
          -Administration position
                -1972 election
                     -Possible commission
                                        24

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


          -Budget deficit
          -Salary revision
          -Post-election action

Congressional relations
    -Cease and desist portion of Equal Employment Opportunity Commission [EEOC]
          legislation
          -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s talk with Ehrlichman
          -Position
                -Veto
          -Southern strategy
                -Disposition of bill
                -Peter H. Dominick amendment
                      -Court action
                -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.’s filibuster threat
          -Rev. Theodore S. Hesburgh
          -The President’s position
                -Filibuster
                -Clarity of position
    -Constitutional amendment on busing
          -The President’s memorandum
          -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Edward L. Morgan
          -Legislation
          -Need for action
                -Leonard Garment
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                -Supreme Court
                      -Make-up
                      -Trust
          -Effect
                -Housing
                -Schools
                -Busing
          -Offer
          -Strategy session
                -Camp David

Housing
    -George W. Romney’s schedule
         -Five city tour
               -Message
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


                     -Central city problem
                     -Suburban housing
          -Romney
                -Recent meeting with Ehrlichman
                -Political insensitivity
                -Richard C. Van Dusen
          -Romney’s possible goals
                -Political
                      -Vice presidency
                      -Mayor of Detroit
                -Personal
          -Housing
                -Jews
          -Frank L. Rizzo’s election
                -Jews and blacks
          -Long Island problems
          -Ehrlichman’s conversation with Romney
                -Racial impact of Romney’s action
                      -Political impact of Romney tour
          -Romney
                -Appointment difficulty
                -As governor
                -Van Dusen’s role
                      -Constitution

Busing
     -The President’s memorandum on amendment
          -Race
          -Distribution
                -Garment
                -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Dynamics of change
                -History
                      -Abraham Lincoln
                            -Pragmatism
                            -Emancipation Proclamation
                                 -Motivation
                            -Amnesty
                                 -Motivation
                            -Cabinet
                            -Personality
                                  26

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                    Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


                     -Union
-Strategy for change
      -William T. Coleman, Jr. [?]
-Supreme Court
      -Professionalism
      -Prospective action
            -Reason
      -Legal basis of decision
            -Racial mixing
      -Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education
            -Dwight D. Eisenhower
            -Herbert Brownell
            -Brief
            -Earl Warren
      -Coleman
      -Richard M. Scammon’s views
            -Political orientation
            -Racism
                  -Education
      -Racism
            -Housing
            -Cities
            -Colonialism
      -Decision
            -Prospects
            -Influences
                  -Social factors, press
                  -Washington, DC
      -Lewis F. Powell, Jr.
-Constitutional amendment
      -Work program
            -Mitchell, Richardson, Shultz
            -Morgan’s role
            -Legal assistants
            -Political volatility
            -Necessity for honesty
            -Food stamps
      -Completion of work
            -Timing
                  -The President’s schedule
                  -Political events
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


                       -Forthcoming testimony by Mitchell, Richardson
                             -Emanuel Celler Committee
                       -Lincoln’s birthday
                       -The President’s schedule
      -Ehrlichman’s view
            -Ehrlichman’s schedule
                  -Housing
                  -Court action
                       -Feasibility
                  -Congressional action
                       -Unpredictability
                  -Amendment action
                       -Form
                  -Possible perception of administration
                  -White Paper publication
                       -Court decisions
                       -Facts
                       -Passions
                       -Results
                             -Method
                  -School financing
                       -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
                             -Value Added Taxes [VAT]
                       -Money
                             -Equality of distribution
                       -Problems
                       -Need for totality
      -Congressional leadership meeting
            -Federal government promotions
                  -Race
                       -Shultz
                       -Gordon L. Allott
                       -Compared to television industry
                       -Allott
                             -Interior Department
      -Race problems
            -Romney’s reaction to talk with Ehrlichman

VAT
      -Real estate taxes
           -1972 campaign
                                       28

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


                -Details
                      -Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR] role
                            -Timing of possible action
                                 -Republican Convention
                                 -Election
                            -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s feeling
                      -Ehrlichman’s feeling
                            -Bipartisan report
                -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with John B. Connally
                -Property taxes
                -Tax reform
                      -Politics
                            -Media influence
          -Congressional consultation
                -State of the Union address
                      -Briefing
                -Blue collar taxes
                      -Reaction
                -Deficit
                      -As an issue
                            -Republican concern
                -New taxes
                      -Reaction
          -Deficits
          -Political opponents
                -Domestic and defense spending
          -Inflation
                -Relation to deficit spending
                      -Shultz’s chart
                      -Reaction of conservative Republicans
                      -Jobs

Bicentennial
     -Philadelphia
     -David J. Mahoney, Jr.’s role
           -Model
           -Funding
                -Congressional appropriations
           -Bicentennial parks
                -Location
                     -States
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


               -Use
                     -Shows, displays
               -Permanence
               -Benefits
                     -Public works
                          -Cost
                          -Federal land
               -The President’s approval
                     -View of model
               -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] consideration
               -Location
               -Funding
               -Purpose
                     -Focus on Bicentennial
                     -Activities
                     -Year round use
               -Problems
                     -Television

Forthcoming dinner [for DeWitt and Lila Wallace]
     -Guests
          -Magazine people

Postal subsidy
     -Magazine postage
           -Elmer T. (“Ted”) Klassen
           -US Post Office
           -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
           -Legislation’s prospects
           -Administration support
                -Lewis

Supersonic Transport [SST]
     -Congressional enthusiasm
          -William M. Magruder’s advice
                -1972 election
     -Magruder’s role
          -Selling planes
          -State Department role
                -Stephen M. Boyd
                -Public relations
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 659-6 (cont.)


           -Strength as political issue
           -Second term strategy
           -Necessity of program
                 -Compared to moon mission

     Ehrlichman’s schedule
           -Denver visit
               -Reason
                     -Children’s camp charity
               -Weather
                     -Seattle

Ehrlichman left at 1:21 pm.