Conversation No. 660-021
Date: January 31, 1972
Time: 11:03 am - 11:54 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.
Malta
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:03 am.
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Cancellation of request for a call to Stewart B. McKinney
Bull left at an unknown time before 11:05 am.
Malta
-Robert F. Ellsworth
-Possible visit
-Possible meeting with President prior to People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
-Possible deal with United Kingdom
-Dominic Mintoff
-Issues
-Edward R.G. Heath
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[Duration: 5s]
Malta
-Possible deal with United Kingdom
-Issues
-Edward R.G. Heath
-Henry A. Kissinger’s opinion
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Malta
-Possible deal with United Kingdom
-Issues
-Edward R.G. Heath
-Moral issue
-Money
-British Conduct
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
John B. Connally’s schedule
-Pittsburgh
-Forthcoming meeting
-Timing
-Connally’s presence
-Kissinger’s schedule
Joseph M. A. H. Luns entered at 11:05 am; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.
Greetings
-Photograph session
Past meetings with Luns
Luns’s response to Jay Rockefeller’s statement
-US interest in foreign policy
-Compared to morality
Anti-American protests
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[Duration: 43m 20s]
US–North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] cooperation
-The President’s view
-People's Republic of China [PRC]–US visit
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]–US visit
-Détente
-US view of North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] alliance
-Georges J. R. Pompidou
-Edward R. G. Heath
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-Willy Brandt
-Michel Debre
-Agenda
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
-Consultation with allies
-European security conference
-Enthusiasm
-Purpose
-Need for reality
-Useful discussions
-Campaign rhetoric
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield amendment
-European troop reduction
-Domestic spending
-The President's actual position
-Budget cuts
-Approval prospects
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s [NATO] role
-New isolationism
-Need to fight
-Budget increase
-Importance
-US role
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-Role of others
-Message to North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] members
-Alliance unity
-External political decisions
-Troop necessity
-Joseph M. A. H. Luns's trip to Canada
-Conversation with Pierre E. Trudeau
-US role
-Europe
-Canadian contribution to North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Importance
-Joseph M. A. H. Luns's conversation with Georges J. R. Pompidou
-Georges J. R. Pompidou's view of North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-French contribution to North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
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-French benefits from North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Georges J. R. Pompidou's reaction
-Troop withdrawal
-German role in North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Ostpolitik
-Military effort
-Weakness
-Expenditures
-Options outside North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Western Europe
-Denuclearized zone
-United Kingdom
-Criticism of US
-Group of Ten
-Prospects for economic confrontation with US
-Henry A. Kissinger’s assessment
-Joseph M. A. H. Luns's schedule
-Departure
-February 1, 1972
-Potential meeting with John B. Connally [?]
-Danish problem
-Joseph M. A. H. Luns's view
-Expenditures
-Malta problem
-Dominic Mintoff'’s desire for meeting with the President
-Timing
-Loans
-Joseph M. A. H. Luns’s view
-German problem
-Consideration of German view
-Denuclearization
-Willy Brandt's feeling
-Relations with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Corrective action
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] intentions
-Allies' view
-US contribution to North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-European security conference
-The President’s view
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-France
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] desires
-German options
-Weaknesses
-Necessity of being part of alliances
-Role in North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Bargaining position with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Need for strength
-Role of North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Willy Brandt's view
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] strengths and weaknesses
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] desires
-State of alliance
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] role
-David M. Kennedy
-Upcoming conversation with Joseph M. A. H. Luns
-Message to Dominic Mintoff
-Economic aid
-US interest in North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Visits before People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
-Henry A. Kissinger's role
-Need for communication
-Post-People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip contacts
-US plan for North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] information
-Dutch
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] council address
-Drawbacks
-Henry A. Kissinger's role
-Private meetings
-Japan and Thailand
-Left–right struggle
-History
-Goal of right
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Defense of North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Peace
-Pragmatism
-Dutch
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Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Critics in US
-Pro-People's Republic of China [PRC] group
-Pro-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] group
-Department of State [DOS]
-Make-up
-Arguments
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Recording was cut off at an unknown time before 11:54 am.
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