Conversation: 663-005
Prev:  663-004 Next: 663-006Start Date: 1-Feb-1972 4:05 PM
End Date: 1-Feb-1972 5:33 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Connally, John B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:27:20
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:56:06
NARA Description:
On February 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John B. Connally, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:05 pm to 5:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 663-005 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 663-5 Date: February 1, 1972 Time: 4:05 pm - 5:33 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John B. Connally. President’s schedule Connally schedule -Testimony -George P. Shultz -Reaction -Taxes -Pittsburgh trip -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr. conference -Timing -Testimony Haldeman left at an unknown time before 5:33 pm. People’s Republic of China [PRC] and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trips -Possible gifts for officials -George Washington -Indians -Medals -Suggestions by Connally -PRC and USSR -Chou En-lai, Mao Tse-tung, Leonid I. Brezhnev -Gold 12 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) Domestic programs -Congressional relations -Revenue sharing -Wilbur D. Mills -Welfare -Abraham A. Ribicoff role -Blind benefits -Political impact -Social Security -Political benefits -Welfare -Unemployment -Public opinion -Government reorganization -Polls -Timing -Re-election of the President -Congressional leadership -Mills -John W. Byrnes, Keith Sebelius, Frank T. Bow -Byrnes -Ways and Means Committee -Al Ullman -James A. Burke -Unknown person -Dan Rostenkowski -Charles A. Vanik ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 7m 36s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 ****************************************************************************** 13 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) Connally’s conversation with Pittsburgh businessmen, January 31, 1972 -National Association of Manufacturer [NAM] -US Chambers of Commerce -Labor leaders -George Meany -Unknown person -Unknown bankers -John D. Harper, Bob Dorsey -Connally’s schedule -Reception Conservative compared to liberal philosophies -Connally’s opinion -Uniformity -Labels -Radicals ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 5m 40s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 ****************************************************************************** Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 4:31 pm. Press announcement -Welfare reform -Meeting with governors -Ronald W. Reagan -Daniel J. Evans -President’s instruction to Ziegler -Trial cases -Common ground with Congress -Reagan 14 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) -California, New York -Ribicoff proposal Ziegler left at 4:34 pm. ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 5m 16s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3 ****************************************************************************** Federal funding of campaigns -Possible legislation -Timing -Federal Communications Commission [FCC] compared to networks -Congressional action -Long term solution -Use of network time -Prime time schedules -Advantages -Nationalization -Great Britain ****************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 4m 1s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4 ****************************************************************************** 15 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) Domestic politics -Criticism of President -Bob Eckhart -Ways and Means Commission -Unemployment charts -Republican administrations compared to Democratic ones -Lyndon B. Johnson -John F. Kennedy -Harry S Truman -Dwight D. Eisenhower -Comparisons -War economy -Barber B. Conable, Jr. -World War II, Korean War and Vietnam War -Care for people -Wealthy members of President’s administration -Red Smith article -Aerospace industry -Rich compared to poor -Possible friction from the public -Wage criticism -John N. Mitchell -Maurice H. Stans -Reagan -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew -Possible role -Congressional feeling -Robert J. Dole -Hugh Scott -Gerald R. Ford -Barry M. Goldwater -Spokesmen for President’s view -Vietnam -Appearances -John V. Lindsay -Nelson A. Rockefeller -Reagan -Support for the President -Opposition efforts 16 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) -Welfare, People’s Republic of China [PRC], class hatred -Connally -Goldwater -Television presence -The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC -Class distinctions Economy -International monetary conditions -Status -Gold bill -European Economic Community [EEC] view -Connally’s previous conversation with unknown person -Canada -Canada -Cabinet -Forthcoming election -US efforts -Possible statement -Progress -Pierre E. Trudeau -View of negotiations -US public opinion -State and Commerce Departments -Excise taxes -Budget deficit -World War II -Alternatives -Congress -Amount of taxes -Stagnation -Economic stimulus -Jobs -1968 economy -Inflation -Unemployment -Productivity Commission -Public relations -Connally’s meetings in Pittsburgh -Wage and price controls -Alternative 17 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) -Inflation -US steel -Japan, West Germany -Productivity Commission -Importance -Haldeman -Possible speech -Possible material for speechwriters -Connally -Transcripts -Class distinctions -International monetary conditions -Suspension of convertibility -Complexity of issue -Europe -Arthur F. Burns -Europe -US economic growth -Great Britain, France, Japan -The President’s August 15, 1971 speech -Burns -Recommended call to James Dewey Daane -Wage and price controls -Trade -Connally’s testimony -Memorandum from Peter M. Flanigan -Peter G. Peterson -Confirmation as Secretary of Commerce -Testimony -Timing -William D. Eberle -Previous conversation with Connally -Flanigan -Gold -Surcharge -Connally’s previous with Eberle -State Department -Peterson -Testimony -Negotiations with Canada -Treasury Department 18 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) -EEC -Commerce Department -Concerns -[Unintelligible] -Henry A. Kissinger -Eberle -John Meyer -Possible appointment of businessman -Tariffs -Concern -Burns’s involvement -Quadriad -The President’s previous meeting with unknown people -Lack of business input -State of the economy -Criticism -Money supply -Banking -Long term rates -Reduction -Inflation -Treasury bonds -Interest -Long-term rates -Long term bonds -Percentage -Big business and bankers -Budget -Investment tax credit -Wage and price controls -1963-69 trends -Effect -Competition -Intimidation by statistics -Retail sales -Refusal to get too high or too low -Connally view on the economy -Unemployment -Campaign issue -Percentage over the last few years -Movement of inflation indicators 19 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) -Effect on public -Haves compared to have nots -PRC, USSR -Possible trade bloc -Latin America -Flanigan, Peterson -Style -President’s opinion Personnel -Dwight D. Eisenhower -Understanding of people -Personal styles -Communication skills Appointments -Justice Department -Connally’s talk with Mitchell -Commerce Department -Peterson -Bureaucracy Government reorganization -1972 election -November 7, 1972 -1968 -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD] -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] -Treasury Department -Justice Department -State Department PRC trip -1968 USSR trip -Timing ****************************************************************************** 20 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 663-5 (cont.) BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7 [Personal Returnable] [Duration: 6m 2s ] END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7 ****************************************************************************** Connally left at 5:33 pm.