Conversation: 664-013
Prev: 664-012 Next: 664-014Start Date: 2-Feb-1972 12:41 PM
End Date: 2-Feb-1972 12:43 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]; McCormack, John W.; White House photographer; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:34:48
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:52:55
NARA Description:
On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), John W. McCormack, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:41 pm and 12:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 664-13
Date: February 2, 1972
Time: Unknown between 12:41 pm and 12:43 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President talked with an unknown person.
Request for Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
[The President talked with Haig at an unknown time between 12:41 pm and 12:43 pm.]
Henry A. Kissinger’s schedule
-Location
John W. McCormack
-Visit to President
-Briefing by Haig
-Haig’s schedule
The President met with McCormack at 12:43 pm; the White House photographer was present at
the beginning of the meeting.
Greetings
-Pearl M. Bailey meeting
-Request for refreshments
-McCormack schedule
-Feelings for McCormack
McCormack role
-Bipartisan meetings
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-President’s upcoming trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Carl B. Albert
-Previous conversation with the President
-Bryce N. Harlow
-Relationship with the President
-General briefings
-Representative of US
-Availability
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 664-13 (cont.)
-Anastasio Somoza Debayle
-Death of Danish King Frederik IX
-Johnson
-Johnson-Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
-[Duke of Windsor] Edward VIII
-Representative
-Somoza
-McCormack meeting
-Location and timing
-Jim Fitzgerald role
-Attendance at West Point
-Somoza’s relationship with Fitzgerald
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:43 pm.
Gratitude
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 1:00 pm.
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 24s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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National Security Council [NSC] meeting
-Vietnam
-North Vietnamese attack
-South Vietnam
-Peace proposals
-Further concessions
-Communist government in South Vietnam
-Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu resignation
-Upcoming elections
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 664-13 (cont.)
-International supervision
-Withdrawal of US forces
-Ceasefire and prisoners of war [POWs]
-McCormack view
-Advice to Johnson
-Free elections
-International supervision
-United Nations [UN]
-Ceasefire
-Support
-North and South Vietnam
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 47s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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The President’s forthcoming trips to the PRC and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
[USSR]
Congressional concerns
-Views of McCormack and President
-Similarity
-House un-American Activities Committee [HUAC]
-McCormack’s support as majority leader
State of Nation
-McCormack’s opinion
-Pearl Harbor
-Recovery
-Amount of time
-Current defense
-Need for readiness
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 664-13 (cont.)
-Defense budget
-John C. Stennis and F. Edward Hebert
-McCormack’s recent talk with Hebert
-Lucious Mendel Rivers
-Need for strength
-Gerald R. Ford
-Support for the President’s January 25, 1972 peace proposals
-Hebert
-Modern warfare
-Preparations
-McCormack’s comments at dedication
-Cook
-Pearl Harbor
-Drawbacks
-Preparation
-Necessity
-Need for top spot
-Potential encouragement to US enemies
-Importance emphasized
Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:43 pm.
The President’s schedule
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:00 pm.
PRC trip
-Timing
-Europeans
-Japanese
-Schedule
-The President’s upcoming meetings
-Information on PRC
-President’s reading
-McCormack
-PRC ideology
-PRC women
-Radicalism in politics
Women
-Comparisons to men in politics
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 664-13 (cont.)
-Emotion compared to reason
-PRC
-Clothing
-McCormack
-Women’s liberation
Farewells
-Return visit
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Catholics
-Knights of Malta
-History
-The Crusades
-Military
-Hospitallers of St. John
-M. Harriet (Joyce) McCormack
-Pope Pius XII
-Feeling for communism
McCormack left at 1:00 pm.