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Start Date: 14-Feb-1972 9:12 AM

End Date: 14-Feb-1972 10:02 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Shultz, George P.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:16:27

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:05:27

670a.mp3

670b.mp3

670c.mp3

NARA Description:

On February 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and George P. Shultz met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:12 am to 10:02 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 670-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 670-5

Date: February 14, 1972
Time: 9:12 am - 10:02 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz.

     Arthur F. Burns meeting
          -Convertibility
                -Push by Burns
          -Quadriad meeting
                -Burns’s statement
                      -New York Federal Reserve bank
          -Press
                -Hobart Rowen
          -International conference
                -Suggested by Burns
          -Convertibility
                -Income policy
                -Testimony
                -Henry S. Reuss
                      -Convertibility
                            -Plan for the year
          -Shultz’s call to Burns
                -President’s instructions
          -Letter to the President
                -Possible problems with the budget
                      -Outlay
                                        4

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


                -Revenue sharing
     -Congress
          -Deficit
     -Outlays
          -Movement
                -Withholding rates
          -Talk with Shultz
                -The President’s awareness and decision
     -Shultz’s memorandum to Burns
     -Shultz’s meetings with Burns
          -Regularity

Economy
    -Shultz’s view
         -Condition
         -Money supply
               -Retail sales
         -Remedies
               -Monetary, fiscal policies
         -Budget
         -Retail sales
               -Polls
               -Sears and Roebuck
                     -Business style
                           -Shultz’s meeting with Gordon M. Metcalf

Burns
     -Money supply
     -Quadriad meeting
          -October to December 1971
          -New York bank
     -Economy
          -Burns’s optimism
     -Money supply
     -Convertibility
     -Appointment
          -Possibility of being mentioned by Burns
          -Procedure
          -Frederic V. Malek
                -Proposed list
     -Swearing in
                                         5

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


          -Secretary of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve Board [FRB] [Robert C.
                Holland]
     -Andrew F. Brimmer
          -Possible removal
                -Burns’s opinion
          -State Department
                -Brimmer’s level in the government
          -St. Lawrence Seaway
     -Convertibility, money supply

Economy
    -1972
          -Strong
          -Expanding
    -Burns
    -Interest rates
          -Money supply
    -Return flow
          -Europe
    -Interest rates

Burns
     -Quadriad meeting
           -Possible last meeting
           -Actions
           -Money supply
     -Meeting with President
           -Timing
     -John B. Connally
     -Shultz
     -Price Board and Wage Commission
     -Jewish press
           -Influence
     -Incomes policy
     -Convertibility
     -Stock market
     -Actions
           -Concern from the President
     -Israel
     -FRB
           -Appointment
                                         6

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


                -Malek
     -Value-added tax [VAT]
     -Revenue sharing
     -VAT
          -President’s memory
     -Connally
          -Rowen
                -Story
          -Shultz
     -Herbert Stein
     -Jewish press
          -Relationship with the Administration
     -National debt
          -Stein’s speech
                -Shultz’s reading
     -Jews
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Herbert Stein
                -Support for the President
                -FRB
                      -Relationship with the Administration

-Economy
     Milton Friedman
          -Letters to Shultz
          -University of Hawaii
          -FRB
                -Effect on economy
          -Money supply
          -FRB
                -Policy
                      -Erratic direction
     -Burns’s view
          -Social unrest
     -August 15, 1971 [New Economic Policy Program]
          -Controls
                -Freeze
          -Prices
                -Downward trend
                -Public attitudes
          -Money supply
                                        7

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


                -Lack of movement
          -International money flow
          -Freeze
          -Tax cuts
          -Closing gold window
          -Freeze
     -Louis P. Harris poll
          -President’s instructions to Ehrlichman
                -Domestic Council staff
                -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -Connally
          -Rumsfeld
                -Connally
          -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
          -Prices
          -Wages
          -Public opinion
                -Possible lack of confidence
                -Controls
                      -Stronger
                      -Possible Administration response
                -C. Jackson Grayson’s statements
                      -Utilities
                            -Telephone company
     -Expand
     -Productivity rise
          -Labor costs
     -Burns’s actions

Burns meeting
     -Ehrlichman’s presence
     -Quadriads

Economy
    -West Coast dock strike
    -New York telephone strike
    -Strike level
          -Lowest in 15 years
    -Dock strike
          -Union Executive Board
                                     8

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


            -Settlement
                  -Harry Bridges
            -Arbitration
-President’s view
      -Revenue sharing
      -Welfare reform
      -Public confidence
-Shultz’s speech
      -National Press Club
            -Inflation
            -Freeze
                  -Reasons
            -Harris poll
                  -Public opinion
            -Controls
                  -Removal
-Rumsfeld
      -Program development
      -Harris poll
            -Concerns
      -Farm prices
-Farm prices
      -Government policies
            -Control mechanisms
                  -Corn
                  -Cattle
                        -Beef
      -Earl L. Butz
            -Praise from Shultz
            -Speech
                  -City people
                        -Chicago
                              -Opinions
                                   -Issues
            -Rhetoric
                  -Farm income
                  -Television networks
                  -Farm prices
                        -Attempt to control
                  -Middleman taxes
                  -Food prices
                                             9

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)



    Chicago
         -Shultz’s visit
              -The President
                    -Public opinion


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                         -The President’s record
                              -Public opinion of the President
                                    -Television
                                    -Radio
                                    -Stance
                                          -Favorable stature
                                    -War
                                    -Draft
                              -Economy
                              -President’s programs
                                    -Apologetic reaction
                                    -Welfare reform
                                    -Revenue sharing
                                    -Government reorganization
                                    -Health program
                                    -Press
                                          -Administration reaction
                                               -Confidence with the Administration

    Issues
         -Busing
              -Highlighting the Administration’s accomplishments
                                       10

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


     -Revenue sharing
     -Cities
     -Housing
           -Reaction
     -Ehrlichman
           -Russell B. Long
           -President’s talk to Connally, Long
           -Thomas C. Korologos
                 -Wallace F. Bennett
                 -Ehrlichman’s upcoming conversation with Long
     -Shultz
           -Connally
                 -Columns
           -Burns
                 -Congressman
                 -Senators
                 -Unknown New Yorkers

Economy
    -Wage and price controls
        -Rumsfeld
              -Staff meeting
              -Meat imports
                    -Statements
              -View
              -Meeting
                    -Ehrlichman
                    -Connally
                    -Stein
                    -Connally
                    -COLC
                    -Shultz
                    -Connally
                          -Location
              -Stein
              -Shultz’s forthcoming talk
              -Connally
                    -Shultz’s forthcoming talk
                    -Public appearances
                    -White House staff
                    -Shultz
                                  11

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


                      -Similarities to Connally
                            -Controls
                -Talk with the President
                      -Pay Board and Price Board
                            -Connally’s view compared to Burns’s view
                      -Price Board
-Longshoremen settlement
     -Pay Board
     -Teamsters
          -Wage increases deferred
                -April 1972
                      -Chicago local
                -Pay Board standard
                -Possibility of strike
                      -Transportation system
          -Pay Board
                -Toughness questioned
                      -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                      -Arnold R. Weber
                            -Longshoremen and the Teamsters
-Controls
     -Meeting
          -After People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
          -Strategy to be developed
          -Possible attendance
                -Shultz
                -Stein
                -Connally
                -Rumsfeld
                -Long
          -Shultz to organize
          -Burns
          -Cabinet officers
          -Pay Board
                -Weber
                      -Usefulness
          -Off the record meeting
                -No publicity
                      -President’s instructions
                -Attendance
                      -Connally
                                              12

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 670-5 (cont.)


                                -Rumsfeld
                                -Stein
                                -Shultz
                                -Ehrlichman

     Busing
          -Meeting
              -John G. Tower
                    -Recent call
                    -Omission
              -Amendment
              -Texas
              -Senate
              -Ehrlichman’s upcoming talk with Tower
                    -Ehrlichman’s colleagues
              -Amendments
                    -Key attendees

     Economy
         -Meeting
              -Low key
              -Connally
                    -Location
                    -Talk with Shultz
                          -Timing
                    -Burns meeting
                    -Meeting with Ehrlichman
              -Controls
                    -Elimination
         -Stimulation
              -Status of economy
                    -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

Ehrlichman and Shultz left at 10:02 am.