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Start Date: 7-Mar-1972 3:05 PM

End Date: 7-Mar-1972 4:43 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Connally, John B.Shultz, George P.Stein, HerbertSanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:44:29

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:22:49

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NARA Description:

On March 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, Herbert Stein, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:05 pm to 4:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 679-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 679-13

Date: March 7, 1972
Time: 3:05 pm - 4:43 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, and Herbert Stein.

     Arthur F. Burns’s schedule
          -Central bank meeting
                -Switzerland
                -Federal Reserve Board [FRB] staff

     West Germany and France
          -Burns’s [?] sppech
          -Interest rates
          -Gold

     Social Security
          -Spending ceiling
                -Gold bill
                -Debt ceiling
                -Willy Brandt
                -Treasury Department
                -Social Security
                -Debt ceiling
                     -House of Representatives
                -Tax bill
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. 10/06)



-Social Security increase
     -Connally’s view
           -Wilbur D. Mills
           -Wages
           -Inflation
           -Civilian federal employees
     -Mills
           -Florida primary
           -Hubert H. Humphrey [?]
     -Democrats
           -Proposals
           -Senior citizens
                 -Support for the President
           -Congress
                 -Tax
           -Deficit
     -Inflation
     -Testimony by Shultz and Connally
           -Cost of living raise
                 -Mills
     -William E. Timmons and Clark MacGregor
     -Mills’s proposal
           -Tax change
                 -Wage base increase
           -House Resolution [HR] 1
           -Timing
     -Elliot L. Richardson’s proposal
           -Mills
           -HR 1
           -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
     -Gerald R. Ford
     -MacGregor and Timmons
           -Representatives and Senators
           -The President’s experience
     -Russell B. Long
     -Taxes
           -Mills
     -Timing
           -Walter F. Mondale
           -Senate Finance Committee
                 -HR 1
     -Popular opinion
                                        31

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)



                      -Inflation
                      -Business people
                            -Shultz’s previous conversation with Bryce N. Harlow
                -Wallace F. Bennett
                      -The President’s disapproval
                -Senior citizens
                      -Stein’s view
                            -Appropriation of monies
                -Timing
                      -Ronald L. Zeigler
                -Connally
                -Shultz
                -Richardson
                      -Department of Health and Education and Welfare [HEW]
                      -Mills
                      -Cost of living increases
                -Taxes compared to benefits
                -Full employment budget
                      -Inflation
                      -Senior citizens
                -Administration position
                      -Congress
                            -No increase in spending
                      -Arthur S. Flemming
                      -Gilbert Carmichael
                      -Cost of living
                            -Inflation
                            -Wage and Price Boards
                      -Deficit
                      -Compared to veto of previous education bill
                            -National Education Association [NEA]
                      -Senior citizens

Budget
    -Other forthcoming spending measures
         -Higher education bill
               -Veto
               -Senior citizens compared to educators
         -Water quality authorization bill
               -John D. Ehrlichman
               -Environment
                    -Edmund S. Muskie
                                           32

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)



                         -The President’s view
                              -Potomac River cleanup
                                    -Expense
                         -Navy
                              -Dumping problems
                                    -Expense
                                          -Compared to the net impact
         -Defense
              -Air Force and Army

    Social Security
               -Richardson
               -Troika
               -Paper
               -Tax rate increases
                     -HR 1
               -Administration position
                     -Election
                           -Deficits
               -Stein
               -Mills


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    Budget
        -Shultz
        -Connally
             -Environmental bill
                  -Shultz’s memorandum to the President
                  -Ehrlichman
                        -Environmental issue
                                              33

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)



                     -Expense
                     -Timing
                          -Congress

     Economy
         -Social Security
         -Wage and price controls
              -Longshoremen strike
                    -Pay Board
                    -Harry Bridges
                    -J. Curtis Counts
                    -Bridges
                    -Previous agreements with longshoremen
                          -Previous practices
                                -Stealing
                    -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                    -Connally
                    -Previous agreement

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:05 pm.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:43 pm.

     Labor relations
          -Longshoremen strike
                -Bridges
                      -West Coast docks
                -Unemployment compensation
                -Military cargo
                -Possible legal measures
                      -Injunction
                      -Strike fund
                      -John L. Lewis
                            -Gridiron dinner
                                  -The President as a congressman
                -Labor support of administration
                      -I[lorwith] W[ilbur] Abel
                            -Construction industry
                                  -Wages
                      -Pay Board
                             34

          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. 10/06)



            -Possible labor walk-off
                  -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                  -Shultz’s forthcoming meeting with Frank E. Fitzsimmons
-Fitzsimmons
-The President’s return from the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
      -Meeting with Connally
-Economy
      -Social Security
      -Rising cost of living
      -Business confidence
      -Consumer confidence
      -Bridges
      -Employers
-Employment figures
      -Stevedores
-Contingency plan
      -OMB
      -Justice Department
      -Use of military
            -National Guard
            -Compared to Postal Service strike
            -Units with experience from Vietnam
                  -Naval Construction Battalions [Seebees]
                        -Saigon compared to Los Angeles
                                        -Military cargo
                  -Defense Department
-Bridges
      -Thomas W. (“Teddy”) Gleason
            -East Coast docks
      -Possible national strike
-Use of military
      -Troops in Postal Service strike
-Forthcoming meeting with George Meany
-Possible task force
      -Possible chairman
            -Rumsfeld
            -Shultz
            -Rumsfeld
                  -Labor
                  -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
            -Contingency plan
                  -Justice Department
                                      35

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)



                         -Defense Department
                     -Rumsfeld
                     -OMB

Busing
     -Moratorium
     -Importance as an issue

Economy
    -Minimum wage legislation
         -Future
               -Increase
         -Democrats
         -Labor
         -Level of increase
         -William M. Colmer
         -Republicans
               -Conservative Democrats
         -Increase
               -Timing of increase
               -Wage controls
         -Economic Stabilization Act
               -Wage controls
                     -Low income group
                          -COLC
         -Youth minimum wage differential
               -Youth vote
               -Youth unemployment
                     -Lyndon B. Johnson
                          -Detroit unemployment project
               -Amount
                     -Cost of living
                     -Level comparable to working poor
         -Compared to sweat shops
         -Youth unemployment
               -Percentage
         -Amount of increase
               -Youth differential
         -Legislation
               -Possible veto
         -Amount of proposed increase
               -Mills
                                 36

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)



      -Coverage
            -Extension
      -Bargaining
            -Extension of coverage
            -Youth differerential
            -Amount of increase
                  -The President’s view
                       -COLC
      -The President’s view
            -Possible veto
            -Extension of coverage
            -Youth differential
            -Amount of increase
-Unemployment insurance amendments
      -Unemployment figures
-Possible report from Stein
      -Memoranda
            -White House
            -Shultz
            -Connally
            -Rumsfeld proposition
-Retail sales figures
      -General Motors [GM]
      -Manufacturing
      -Wage and price controls
      -Expansion of government spending
-Environment
      -Navy
            -Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.
      -Air Force
      -Army
-Income tax
-Consumer confidence
      -Unknown person
-New York
-Western Europe
-Payroll
-Equipment expenditures
-Orders for capital goods
-Orders for manufactured goods
-Orders for durable goods
-Increase in orders
                                   37

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)



-Employment
-Domestic automotive sales
-Financial position of consumers
-Leading indicators
-Unemployment insurance
-Manufacturing layoffs
-Housing starts
-Housing permits
-Mortgage lending institutions
-Savings
-Standard and Poor’s Index of stock prices
-Dow Jones
-Weekly earnings
-Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Unemployment
-Money supply
-Interest rates
      -Decline
-Retail sales
-Merchandise trade
      -Balance of payments
      -Imports
      -Exports
-Confidence in business community
      -Consumer index
-Interest rates
      -Burns
-Money supply
-Convertability
      -Administration position
      -Wall Street
      -International bankers
            -Jelle Zijistra
      -Balance of payments
      -Stein
      -Connally
      -Burns
      -Hobart Rowen
      -Stein
            -Memoranda
                  -The President
                  -Shultz
                                  38

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)



               -Connally
          -Report
          -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
               -Ezra Solomon
               -[Marina von N. Whitman]
               -Burns
                     -Value added tax [VAT]
               -The President’s view
                     -Example of foreign policy advisors
                          -Henry A. Kissinger
                     -Economists
               -Forthcoming meeting in New York
                     -Figures
-Connally
-Social Security
-Connally’s previous meeting with C. Jackson (“Don”) Grayson, Jr.
     -Price Commission
           -Utilities
                 -Regulatory agencies
                       -Federal Power Commission
                 -Telephone companies
                 -Connally’s view
                       -Tier 1
                       -Tier 2
                 -First quarter reports
                 -Semi-annual reports
     -OPM
     -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
     -Defense Department
           Melvin R. Laird
     -IRS
           -Audits
-The President’s schedule
     -Forthcoming meeting
           -Connally, Shultz, Stein
-Social Security
     -Congress
     -MacGregor and Ehrlichman
-Minimum wage issue
-Longshoremen’s strike
     -Task force
     -Meany
                                               39

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)



           -Social Security
                -Senior citizens
                -Issues
                      -Wage and price controls
                      -Busing
                      -Budget
                      -Cost of living
           -Stock market
                -Stein
                -Standard and Poor’s
                -Dow Jones

     Meeting
          -The President’s view
                -Quadriad
          -Burns
          -Schedules
          -Invitees
                -CEA

Connally, Shultz, and Stein left at 4:43 pm.