Conversation No. 701-5

Date: April 4, 1972
Time: 10:09 am - 10:43 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Robert S. Ingersoll, Henry A. Kissinger and Stephen B. Bull[?].

     Introductions and greetings

Bull [?] left at an unknown time before 10:39 am.

     Ingersoll's assignment
          -Preparations
          -Departure
                 -Timing

     US-Japan relations
          -Current status
               -Possible problems
          -Ingersoll's role as ambassador
               -Importance
                      -Compared to West Germany
                             -Berlin agreements
                                   -[David] Kenneth Rush
                      -Compared to the Soviet Union
               -Ingersoll's method of handling
                      -Relations with Eisaku Sato, Takeo Fukuda and power elite
               -Identification of potential leaders
                      -No need for limitation
          -Japan's leadership
               -Fukuda
               -Mitsujiro Ishii
          -Ingersoll's role
               -Relationship with the President
                      -Importance
                             -Armin H. Meyer
                      -Personal confidence
                             -Representative to the government
               -Use of special channels to communicate with the President
                      -Ingersoll’s staff
                             -Ingersoll’s relationship with the Japanese business community
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     -The President's knowledge of Japan
           -Importance of US-Japanese alliance
           -The President's visits to Japan
                 -Number
           -The President’s relationship with Japanese leaders
           -Potential power
                 -Economic, political and military
           -Eastern Pacific
                 -US-Japanese alliance and friendship
                       -Strong emphasis from the President
     -Economic competition
           -US respect
           -Avoidance of protectionism, isolationism and Japanese counter reaction
     -Ingersoll's dealings with Japanese leaders
     -John B. Connally’s theory
           -US relationship with Japan, Latin America and Canada
     -Ingersoll's approach
           -Closer relations
                 -Mutual respect
-People's Republic of China [PRC] issue
     -US-PRC opening of relations
           -US and Japanese interests
                 -PRC nuclear capability
           -Possibilities of influence
           -Possibility for conflict
                 -Similarities to Korea and Vietnam
           -Reasons
                 -Soviet Union
           -Effect on US-Japan ties
           -Difference in relationships
                 -Social, economic, political ties
                 -Trade ties between US and Japan
                       -PRC, Soviet Union, and Canada
           -Mutual security interests
           -US intentions
                 -Viable policy in the Pacific
                 -Japan's role
                       -Frequent dialogue
           -Joint communique
                 -Development of US-Japan ties
                       -Support For Clause
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JAPAN

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    Nixon Doctrine
        -The President's conversation with Chou En-Lai and Mao Tse-Tung
             -State Department view
        -Purpose
             -US role in world and the Pacific
                   -Low profile
                   -Commitment to South Vietnam
             -Continued US presence in Asia
                   -PRC
        -Japan
             -Neutrality
                   -Rearmament
                         -Likelihood
                         -Economic power
                         -World War II
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SINGAPORE

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               -Choices in future
                    -Nuclear guarantee
                          -Firm US alliance
                          -Possible Japanese rearmament
               -Development of US ties


    US-Japan relations
         -Competition in PRC
              -Possible Japanese role
              -US Success
                     -Possible discussions
                           -Potential Japanese actions
              -The President's Meeting With Chou en-Lai
                     -Mao Tse-Tung
              -Need for US-Japan cooperation
                     -Dangers of competition
                           -Soviet Union
         -Kissinger's trip to Japan
              -Kissinger's work with Ingersoll
              -Translator
                     -Use
         -Ingersoll's dealings with Sato and Fukuda
              -Use of channels
              -Other channels
                     -Danger of leaks in Tokyo
                           -State Department
                                 -Arthur K. Watson
                                       -Georges J. R. Pompidou
              -Private dinner
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-Sato
      -Meeting with Kissinger
            -Privacy
      -Meeting with Ingersoll
            -Fukuda
            -Arrangements
            -Scheduling
                  -Timing
                        -North Vietnamese offensive
                        -The President’s upcoming visit to the Soviet Union
-President’s instructions to Ingersoll
      -Letters to Sato and Fukuda
            -President’s signature
            -Drafts
            -Content
            -Dispatch
                  -Arrangements
                        -State Department files
                        -Contact with the Japanese ambassador
                        -Meyer
-US Asian policy
      -Message to Japan
            -Quotation of the President
            -Shanghai communique
            -US presence in Asia
      -US-Japan alliance
            -Importance
                  -Peace
      -Taiwan, Republic of China
            -US policy
      -Korea
      -The President's message for Ingersoll to the Japanese
-Ingersoll's assignment
-Visits
      -Kissinger
      -The President
            -Upcoming trip to Soviet Union
                  -Timing
                  -Dwight D. Eisenhower's visit
      -[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito's visit
            -Timing
      -The President
            -Election
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                       -Respect for the Japanese
                       -Problems
                             -Economic
           -The President's message to Japanese leaders
                -Europe and Pacific
           -Ingersoll's assignment
                -Conversations with Fukuda, Sato and Ishii
                -Dealings with Japanese
                       -Toughness
                       -Eisenhower's comments on British as allies
                             -Suez crisis
                             -Contrasts in war and peace
           -Cameras
                -Kodak
                -Film
                       -Cost


     Presidential gifts
          -Golf balls

Kissinger left and Stephen B. Bull entered at 10:39 am.

     Golf balls and tie clips

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     The President's foreign policy
          -Ingersoll's admiration

     Ingersoll's family
          -Visit to Lincoln Memorial
                 -Abraham Lincoln
                       -Compared with the President

     Presidential gifts
          -Golf balls
                -Donald McI. Kendall
          -Money clip
                -Presidential seal

Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:39 am.
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     Photograph session
          -Standing pictures

     Presidential gifts
          -Bronze compacts

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     Photographs
          -Copies

     George P. Shultz
         -Qualities
               -Previous relationship with Ingersoll
         -Dedication
         -Eisenhower

The White House photographer entered at an unknown time after 10:39 am.

     Photographs
          -The President’s instructions

The White House photographer left at an unknown time before 10:43 am.

     Gifts
             -Bronze compacts
             -Cuff links
             -Tie clasps
                   -Presidential seal
             -Money clips
             -Kendall
             -“Bowser” [doggie] bags

     Ingersoll's assignment
          -Ingersoll's father, Roy C. Ingersoll
          -Message to Japanese
                 -State Department
                 -The President’s initials

Ingersoll left at 10:43 am.
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