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He's planning to, but he's waiting for confirmation.

I think, uh, yeah, I think so.

Could you check Connolly's office and ask him if he could call at 9.30?

We had a good meeting with Roger last night.

Uh, we went to, we got there about nine, I guess.

Was he not out?

Not out with him?

No.

He was at home?

He was sitting at home, reading or something.

Your text line, he was sitting before you.

It really was.

Well, it's the right thing to do.

Well, and it, it, uh, I think it paid off, because I think if we'd been out running up at this point, he would have been pissed off.

And we went out last night, and Al made the pitch, and he, he put it very correctly, that we did for, we got this, and Bill, uh,

He said, how was the message delivered?

He said, the second guy brought it over.

The other one is the message.

I'll take a picture on it off the switch if you can.

Bring it in to me.

Do it.

File together.

I'll correct it.

I don't think it needs much correction.

It's probably just kind of an issue.

It's a fine farm.

Okay.

Bill said, well, what exactly did the message say?

I hate you to hell for not being with me.

He didn't try to verbatim it, but he made the points that it said and how it said it.

So what form was it in?

House said the same thing as they did on something or other, a little sheet of paper, a white piece of paper, which is apparently the way they do secret things and all.

And he hinted at the possibility of North Vietnamese participation.

And Phil said, well, did the message mention that?

And Haig said, no, the message did not.

But Barranzo made the point that, of course, there was a third party.

involved and they wanted to talk to us about Vietnam and of course there was a third party involved and we got the impression that maybe that's what they were saying but Henry doesn't feel that that's a possibility.

He doesn't think the Russians can produce but it's a possibility that they may.

So he did, Al did a damn good job and he sat there and he didn't flinch.

It scared me a little because he

Bill zeroed right in on specifics, and Al hit the specifics right back.

Just damn neat.

And you told him that we were just covering the camp digger.

Yeah.

And he said, fine.

And he said, gee, that's great.

And he said, I have a very good feeling about the way all of this is going.

And I chimed in about the hard line he had taken and your comments at the State Department.

And he said, yes, the Canadian problem.

He picked that up right away, and he said, I think it may be working.

Then he got it this morning.

He got through that quite neatly.

He didn't even say, is he going to talk about the trail?

He didn't say anything like that.

He didn't raise any question of that kind.

He just went to the specifics.

As soon as he had satisfied himself on that, he asked Al to give him a film on how things were in Vietnam.

And he asked quite a number of very specific questions about the kind of tanks they were using and how many troops they had and two corps and all this sort of thing.

chatted for a while about that.

We were there about a half an hour.

Couldn't have been more impressive.

Well, I started to say it and he laughed and he said, you know,

I wish I didn't have to be told that.

And I said, well, there's no point, not the thought that you have to be told, but just to make sure that you understand what we are doing on this, which is that nobody is being informed, including Secretary Lerner.

And I just want to be sure you do that, because you might assume that somebody knew about this.

Nobody does.

Well, that's good.

That's all in my mind.

Then he went back onto the thing of

You know, I've never told a secret in all these years, and I've never told anybody what, uh, Herb Brownell and I did on certain things, and I never will.

Yeah.

He's a good man that way.

Better than Henry.

I think that's true.

I think- Oh, yeah?

I think- Henry Henry talked about pretending to.

Yeah.

But Bill- And Henry's interested in history.

See, Bill doesn't give a shit about history.

He's only interested in headlines.

And a guy interested in headlines, if you don't tell it today, it doesn't do any good to tell it later.

So he has no motivation to tell me that.

Now, with Conway, I sort of agree.

I think maybe I should just talk to him alone.

I kind of think so, too.

And the way I will do is to just say I'd like for him to work on the details with you and his statement and so forth.

I think it's best.

And I just say that, well, I regret it, of course, but I understand it.

And I hope for the best.

I told them that, too.

We'll have to be a hell of a lot of people to inform us before we tell you.

We can do that, and I'll work out a good scenario for you.

Al is a very evil man.

He's icy.

He did a good job.

But he's also smart, too.

He knows all these moves.

He's been in that defense bureaucracy long enough to know how to handle them.

Well, that's a...

Okay, well, we've got it.

We're set on 8-15.

Right.

That's the date.

Yeah.

That's the basic approach.

I'd definitely like to do the press conference on that.

Thursday.

Thursday's the best day if we should...

It would be a good idea to change the...

right on time.

See you next week.

We came out and argued all evening.

The goddamn gilding lawyers did a hell of a job yesterday.

The first five completely lost his temper.

Half the gilding lawyers just blew up.

Why?

Well, because they were given evasive answers on some stuff and all that.

By at one point said, well, Mr. Gillenwater, you at that time were Mr.

Lieutenant Governor Reinecke's administrative assistant.

Is that right?

And Gillenwater said, yes, and I still am.

And By said, well, by God, if somebody in my office, in my administrative assistant, had screwed things up the way you screwed things up, I can tell you that he wouldn't be sitting by my side at that table like you're sitting by the lieutenant governor's side right now.

And Gillenwater looked at him and said, well, Senator, that's the difference between politics and statesmanship.

And then a little later he said, well, Mr. Gilmour, your credibility has gone from 100 to just about zero during the course of this hearing.

And Gilmour said, well, Senator, if my credibility has taken that direction with you, it's certainly gone up with some other people.

It's great because he doesn't give a shit about the Senators.

Not like our people who don't want to suck around because we have to live with them.

He doesn't really, he couldn't care less, so he just kicked it back.

Excellent, excellent.

And I guess had some fun.

Tell me, did, uh, did, uh, uh, I'll have to ask John, I don't know if I'll ask you, did his, did his police think of anything?

Yeah.

Nothing on television, but I got a very, very big radio network ride with, carrying your, your, uh, Jeeps thing.

I don't think there was anything.

It wasn't local, but I mean, I don't think there was anything.

I posted it.

Big story.

I think you have a front page story.

I don't care about the post though.

I know.

But nevertheless, we broke through a little.

I think probably so.

Also, on that one, there is some plus.

It's obviously not worth very much time.

Just to do it with Wilson and the message he gets the policemen around.

That's right.

Half-eyed Spartan cops.

Oh.

You know, I was going to say another thing.

I don't know whether you noticed.

I read the Post and the Times this morning on our TV.

And me, sorry.

And I thought I heard a few different stories.

The same thing that we get all the time.

And you got the damn Post.

It's unbelievable.

I mean, I read the damn Post.

I mean, of course they talk about that.

But I read it says it was even less than that, this and that, and the Times said it was...

you know, played it fairly, pointing out there was inflation, but it was a big, it is a big thing.

Well, the wire play and the network was that it was a huge increase in GMP.

This month we're going to get the inflation, but the post, I swear to Christ, I thought I would read two different papers.

See, that's why you shouldn't worry about that post.

I must say that I hope

John's statement.

John has an idea, which I think is good, that once or twice a week he'll go out on the record and take these son's pictures online.

Well, it goes with your thing.

It did discuss, but nevertheless, John can scrape away a lot of underbrush documents.

You see, he has distinguished himself there.

is an expert.

Ziegler will do it just as well, but he as an expert can go out there and handle those questions.

I'll say, well, if I see Mr. Ziegler go out, I'll say, well, Mr. Gurley can handle that question.

Like I say, it was Dr. Kister who answered that in his briefing.

What do you think of the idea?

I like it.

Also, I think John's awfully good.

Now, he would get a TV last night.

He will come on.

I've got a great theory of that.

I think next time around, when we get past the election, I think early pressure should be made director of communications and press secretary and, you know, he should take on that whole thing and move out of the domestic business and run the thing on a basis that run.

Never can.

I think you need to change anyway.

I don't think you should keep the same.

But I think you can move to a different level and kind of... Ron also is a young man.

He ought to get out and, you know, do something else.

Yep.

Well, we can move Ron out to a very big network job or something, you know, where he can do a lot of good, too.

Well, sir?

I think it's important to inform somebody to get to the Pope, cook and roll about this problem.

Flanagan, maybe talk to Denuncio.

I don't think Denuncio will be my Pope.

I'm scared of her.

Or have Hayes on.

I think Hayes is better.

And let Flanagan talk and cook.

and let Colson talk to Kroll.

Do you understand?

Yeah.

I just want to be sure they don't get tired of it.

Cleary, what about the 301 on or off?

We haven't had it confirmed, I don't think.

Well, let me say, there's no real problem on it, because my view is we don't do the 301, I just do an hour's press conference.

Yeah, I sure do.

But I think that for that, if we can do it, I think the three-on-one board is a better format for us.

It is because they'll have to be more thoughtful about what it's over and less plan-based.

And that's a time when a lot of you do it on the common thing.

There's going to be a massive problem in farming.

You know, people who've got to do it in the morning of the announcement.

You set it up, you see, you've got to keep this supposed to be, oh, I don't want this spread in the span.

God, I was, you know, I stopped by Mel Yates' desk and said, it's all, wait a minute, my general, and I, she said, what is it?

She said, it's your schedule.

Of course, it's only the public schedule.

I laughed at my, God, don't tell that many people what I'm doing.

Oh, yes, we sent 120 of these every day.

And they have to give it, they're two different schedules.

I know that.

I know, but I'm just, what I'm just suggesting is that

Yes, of course.

And they can decide that.

Like, for example, one that needs to be informed is Billy Graham.

He seems very disappointed.

You're going to inform him, but don't inform him until that morning, either.

Tonight, the thing that I suggest that we could have a year's scheme of 10 people around, if they could.

Are they invited to this event tonight?

You can see my point.

I think getting people around, celebrities, to let editors shake their hands and so forth is a good one, don't you think so?

Yeah.

And a lot of it will have appeared, so it would be good.

To the extent their schedule will permit it, we would like for them to be in the rooms so that they can talk to the various editors and so forth as they're around.

You know, that's a much better place.

If any, if we have any problems with the OEO or over at AGW and so forth on war protests, I want some fire at this time.

Do you understand?

I don't know what you've had yet, but if you do.

Finally, I've got to tell you, last night I had my head banged.

I told you I knew today I had to have it on my desk.

Now we're going to cut the MIT subject.

I mean, that's been three years.

Well, I know, I know.

And Schultz has killed him.

Schultz.

Because Schultz went there, and Schultz is an educator, and so forth.

But I'll tell you, I'm going to cut the subsidy to higher education, Bob.

I mean, the next budget, believe me, if you think it's...

I mean, I'm going to cut the subsidy.

You should.

It's wrong.

It's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong.

And I mean for the nuclear reactor to never ever go down there.

I told him, you know, I said, there's no appeal.

I said, I want it on my desk.

I don't know Schultz and the others won't, but they'll come up with it.

They'll probably say we can't do it, but I'm going to get that message through to these sons of bitches one way or another.

Although I must say, I thought there was a pit of grease.

They're just obviously trying to get out of hand with their suits here.

Do you agree or not?

It's a thing that obviously is a strategy.

Do you mind if I leave the truth of the story?

The truth of the story?

You mean about the demonstrations?

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

That's underway.

But the great mistake in Patricia's case was my own.

And I should have insisted.

And I had that intuition.

I said, in Jesus Christ, don't go to that goddamn university.

And also, basically, the income crowd is a tennis crowd.

Just no question about it.

They're the same kind of shit asses that play tennis and ping pong.

And there are some good people.

But most of them are in the social country.

You know what I mean?

That kind of people.

You were never going to go in front of them.

Curious, a very great difference there.

The golfers are more of my people.

I go to the golf clubs and so forth, and it's very different.

But the tennis grounds, bad news, bad news, always.

You know, I don't think I've ever seen a golfer who was a fairy.

And I've seldom seen a tennis player who wasn't a fairy.

You know, it's very true.

There's a strange, strange business about this thing.

And that's unkind of tennis players.

They're a lot of them aren't, you know.

Yeah, but today it's going to learn to play tennis a lot.

But it's really true.

They play with that.

You make a tennis-like game, it's going to play.

It's nothing to do with the tennis-like game.

Yeah.

Well, they're not very leaders in the NBA.

It's a rough game.

But that's not how tennis is played anyway.

I'm so glad you're handling it.

I was amazed that it was as easy as it was because he just, I think part of it is his own, his frame of mind.

He isn't in this shitty attitude of trying to defend himself.

Well, basically he realized he did well.

That's right.

And then the new comment, how pleased, oh yeah, he went in.

And we all are.

I talk about how he used his, his, you know, and that, the company got a big flood.

It did not compose the Times.

No, it did on the TV.

Radio.

I think they had some of it on TV.

And he also hit the press, being the editors on Wild.

The need to stand up for the country.

Good for him.

The point that it needed to be positive a little bit.

because I intend, you know, to have another one before I go to Moscow.

I mean, no reason not to, you know, have this one and then have another one.

Okay, well, try the sunfishes.

Now, this one, I'll do it at 7.30, though.

I'm not going to do it at the prime time.

I don't think it's, I think 7.30 is a safer time.

The only question I have with regard to, well, even then, since we haven't had one for a long time, I just might go for an hour this time.

I wouldn't because I don't think you gain anything from it.

No, but you only gain from it.

You should ask the press.

They're going to say, well, can't we have more time or something?

An hour is busy.

You've given them the time in here.

Yeah.

Well, it's true.

I don't think it makes any difference.

I was quite worried about what the press needs.

I think a half an hour on a general press conference is long enough.

I think on your summit drop-off, you shouldn't use an hour because you should give long answers.

It's expensive, but this suit is awesome.

Did you talk to Andy about going to the church yet?

I'm just going to go to Los Angeles, you know.

Whether you did or not, my view is don't get no great things.

I mean, after all, it's a religious matter with me.

And I'm just going to Sunday.

I don't want to make a big thing out of it.

I just don't want to raise it with him on Sunday.

I want something scheduled Sunday morning.

And I'm just going to go to the church.

Because, you know, we love the food.

Tell me that...

I think that they talked about it.

I don't think it did.

It did.

We should purchase some.

How could he say no to that?

I mean, if the question was put broadly, if he said, obviously, it would change for us the objective.

But then, if the question was not germane, the chairman's rule could have lost.

Oh, then he didn't answer the question about whether he contributed.

All right.

Whether I didn't contribute will have to be germane.

And then they got into the Kennedy that had objected to the objection.

And the chairman ruled that that whole matter would have to be discussed in the executive session.

It couldn't be discussed in the office session.

And at the end of the police's testimony, they questioned whether the police would come back or not.

And I don't know if I've ever written about that.

And in the middle of that, the chairman of the bank of Yeltsin wrote through this witness and will adjourn.

Chairman, at that point, was about eight glasses into his bottle of Chilisery, who apparently had steaming no pain.

That's crazy.

McGregor said he was at a dinner last night, sat next to Birch Bay or something.

Bay said, what do you got us with?

Clark said, what do you mean?

He said, we've only got five boats, the most six.

in order to try and continue anything or screw it up today and Thursday.

So, uh, it'll end up with us.

We'll do well today.

We have no problem with them.

And then we can proceed with matters when they finish with him.

So I think we're all free.

Well, let me say that they may not.

So I don't say we're all free on that.

We've got eight more hurdles to get over on that.

They'll have a long debate, parted around.

And then if it goes on and then it gets out, I think that's all right.

Okay, but he'll be, see, he will be in the process.

He'll be acquitted.

Acquitted, that's right, by the committee.

And the committee will report out a favorable date.

Then we say that the Senate's own committee has recommended its approval.

I want you to make a note of it.

Well, Colson, I guess, they should have a vicious attack now, all on the civilization.

Don't you think so?

Oh, well, wait until we get it done.

Because you've got to be careful about getting crosswise with Irvin and all that.

See, now they've got a week in which to file a report.

They don't vote.

Do they vote today?

Well, they can take the picket.

They don't think so.

Oh, I see.

But we don't know what the opposition will do.

Our plan is not to vote today.

Our plan is to terminate the hearings and go home.

But when do they vote?

Well, they vote Thursday.

That's my point.

Next Thursday they may.

Good to do.

I like to have it out of the way.

Well, they're committed to filing to reporting back to the Senate to the jury leader by not later than next Thursday.

So I think it will have a vote by something.

They may vote today.

But I would guess the opposition won't because they know they don't have them right now.

They may take the lead to try and erode Irvin and Byrd again on the party lines.

I think we've got Irvin.

What is the situation with regard to Breitling?

With regard to the...

I don't know if there's some time to try and build up that yet.

But you've got to make a note to Colson.

But the war, the debate was breaking on party lines.

And I'll come down to it.

That we've got Spanish in there, we've got the draft in there.

That was just the debate yesterday, which was on party lines.

I know, but what I meant is that these were stories that weren't even talking about at the time.

You can see what I mean?

Yeah.

Let's be sure we get a few Democrats.

Yeah.

Well, I think the Democratic caucus will not, it'll split wide open on this.

They will carry it, but they won't in the caucus, but that's not surprising.

I think it's just as well that they voted, they tried to put aside Goldwater and then North Vietnam, I'm not sure.

Yeah, but we're trying to get them out.

They refused to condemn them.

That's what I mean.

Oh, I want to really slap the shit out of them on that.

Or you can see any other strategy.

Well, that's good.

That's good.

And that's starting to take over.

Take over.

See, I don't want to do this.

There's a good cartoon today that makes that point.

It shows a communist tank roaring across.

It says, not one word of condemnation, nor the enemy's invasion.

And then it shows all Muskie and all the people saying, oh dear, we should stop the bombing kind of stuff.

But all of the...

We've got to keep it up front and center because otherwise the war, it's our fault, you know, people forget and all that.

No, it is front and center.

You're right, we have to keep it there, but we have to.

We're fighting it all the time.

We're doing a good job on this one.

And the wedding, you know, it's good.

And the Watchers, Flair, Cotton, Agnew, you know, we've had a good week.

And they'll have a good week next week, but it's, we can't get anything to say.

And if we haven't, we could have some.

We may not.

I can't tell what they'll agree to.

I'm writing.

I woke up early, 3 o'clock this morning, and I written a memorandum to Henry.

I didn't want to say it while he was here, because you know, he was so uptight.

He worked so hard.

But he had a very, very long, long, long statement.

He was going to make an opening.

He calls it an opening speech.

He's always got this fetish for making an opening speech.

He does it to the beat.

I mean, he's not going to do a depression.

With the Chinese, I think it was all right.

With the Communists, the Soviets, it is not all right.

He's writing for history.

See, that's his mind.

And I put the thing, and I'll let you see the memorandum in size only after I finish it.

I had a cable time tonight, a couple hours.

I put it to him this way.

I said, well, you have to realize that Brezhnev's and Gromyko's purpose will be

to filibuster about Vietnam and talk about the summit.

Your purpose is to talk about Vietnam.

In other words, their desire is to talk about the summit.

Your desire is to talk about Vietnam.

I'm saying that for two reasons.

One, because Henry wants to talk about the summit.

He just loves this excuse for going over there.

He can't run.

You see, he's bleeding now that he's getting to do what he's always wanted to do, to set up the summit.

So I'm putting this brutally to him, very properly.

And I can also say that I read his statement again, and I hold him very good on the substance, but he didn't agree that Gresham was, as distinguished as Joe Mines, was a simple, direct, brutal man, and that he should be very simple and very direct after a few courteous remarks at the beginning.

You see, Henry is fine in negotiation after, when you get down to the specifics of the record.

He doesn't have, well, he gets so wound up

writing for history when arrested sometimes he misses the point that you just don't have to beat the goddamn subject to death sometimes you should go at it you flick it you come back so you see what i mean is it that sign is what i don't think i'll ever get it so you go on this if i have to be on the specific he's got to get it simple and he's got to be direct he's got to get that one

And he'll spend the day with Brezhnev.

And I know the communists.

And Henry has a lot of philosophical stuff in there about how the Cold War had changed.

Obviously, the old days thought of the war communists as being mild and things were true.

And they thought that the United States was being a threat to them, which is not true.

He's dead wrong on that decision to go to Harvard.

And I'm confident that the Soviets, as Donaldson said to me, the Soviets don't believe Bruce Brown.

And then a lot of stuff about a way that Joe and I would enjoy in our school.

You see, if you go into that kind of subject, let me tell you why the danger of it is.

The danger is if you go into that kind of subject, Brescian will immediately seize on that and pick you up and point at her, point at her, point at her.

And Henry will be involved in that debate all day long.

And at about 5 o'clock, Brescian said, well, I have to go.

And Henry said, well, just a minute, Mr. Chairman.

We talked about Vietnam.

That's exactly what they'll do.

That's exactly what they'll do, I predict.

Well.

So my way would be to go ahead and say, Mr. Chairman, I first want to say on the summit, it's going well.

I've been talking to Mr. Brennan and the President.

Everything is possible.

The President will meet you halfway on every major issue.

And I want to talk about that, actually.

Robert said to me, there's going to be no successful son.

There may not even be a son, because I have to be very direct with you.

And I want you to know that.

I said, I know you're a direct man, and the President is a direct man.

And you like to straighten the shoulder, and here he is.

And I think we ought to talk about him and see what we can work out.

And get right into the start of that, and about the first narrative.

Well, Henry said, he gave in.

He belabored this.

I'm getting ready to go.

But he had a, with translation, one would have taken about an hour and 15 minutes, or an hour and a half.

general stuff before he ever got to Vietnam.

He got to Vietnam.

He said, I'm doing this in order to sort of pave the way for Vietnam.

But he talked about all the summit issues.

He talked about all the philosophical issues, and then came to Vietnam and said, no, we'd better talk about Vietnam.

That ain't no way to do it.

You see?

Well, I know it's not the way, because I know these bastards, these people are too smart.

Henry would get his pants taken off.

Look,

He ends up playing everything instead of our job.

His date meetings with the North Vietnamese are not examples of good negotiating.

They were in terms of a little nitpick crap, you know, that he got through if they didn't give him anything of substance.

I mean, you know, he farted around this and that the other day.

But the point is that Henry, when he gets into this, he spends hours and hours and hours on philosophical bullshit, see?

and argue with it.

And that is totally irrelevant to the whole thing.

Now, Rogers goes too much the other way.

Rogers solely goes to what we read on, see?

Yeah.

And that's to put it, you've got to put a little subtlety around it, you know?

You've got to make it appear that you're talking philosophically.

But very, very early in the game, you've got to get the, right in the solar plexus, you've got to get their attention.

Stick that knife in deep and turn it.

But it's important anyway.

I'm reading from Churchill to the man of seven years old, I don't know, in 44, 469, 70.

And God damn it, he used to send cables off four or five a day.

He did it all.

Yet he lived a quite different life.

He was in the battle.

He always had his lunch every day.

He died at night.

He napped in the afternoon.

And he went just, in the middle of the visit, he says, we went for a bathe there and a bathe there.

What I'm getting at is that didn't he sort of float along clipping the peaks that he wanted to clip and letting other people pick up some pieces from him?

He didn't have, well, he had an interesting thing.

He may raise this with you.

He said there are two things about the President that on a personal basis.

One, I am very concerned

He said, you can't lose.

You're in perfect shape now unless you lose it, unless you make a mistake.

He said, everybody has the most possibility of making a mistake.

And the only danger of a mistake I see is in overreacting, is in hitting back too hard on too short a basis.

He said, basically, you shouldn't react.

You shouldn't be worried about the critics.

You shouldn't hit back.

And he went through that a little extra.

And I said, well, John, that criticism, it may be valid.

But if it is, it seems to me it must be a characteristic of the breed.

Because you're much more inclined to hit back harder, faster than the president is.

And he laughed.

And he said, boy, you're absolutely right.

And he said, I agree with you.

It's a bigger problem with me than it is with him.

Then he turned the other way.

And he turned the other way and said,

The thing that most impresses me now about the president is something that is not important as far as the public is concerned.

It's not a point to make, but it's terribly important if you understand the problems.

And that is, he is the only man I know in public life at a high level, or I've ever seen, who has the ability to do thinking and to force himself

not to bog down in everything to the degree that prohibits his thinking.

He said, when I was governor, I never, and all the time I was in office, never thought about anything.

I just did things.

And I realized now that I was wrong.

He said, I'm doing the same thing.

The rest of the time I do.

All right, for the last 10 days, and we're going to go more elephant than you can.

I just looked at that loose hammer.

But I have thought much more clearly about what to do with these problems than I would otherwise.

And I really believe, now on the new summary thing, you know, I, it's a , I didn't know they'd be able to not send the gosh damn name to them like another 80 total.

Yeah, we weren't, then the question came up and we did it.

Yeah, I would have signed the form for, I'm not going to,

this weekend, you know what I mean?

So let's not set it up, okay?

Okay.

In other words, when things are sort of hanging, I would just sort of knock it off for a while.

I don't know how you can get away with it, but they'll notice it one day.

Yeah, but that's just not done, too.

It's a problem.

You get used to that.

You get up in the morning, you've got to have it like you've got a cup of coffee.

The point is, it's not just the news summary, but it's refusing, and it's brutal to talk to cabinet officers, to staff members, and the rest, when there's something very important that I've got to be thinking about.

I don't think all the time, but sometimes you've got to let your mind rest.

You just gotta let it rest, you know what I mean?

Well, you gotta let it go and overdrive the coast because that's when some of your good things...

But even sometimes when it's flying, it's good for it.

You just have to come back to it.

But you see, if you're pushing it all the time, you over-strain it many times and you don't think, well, if you pop off too soon, it's over with me anyway.

But at this point, that's why I...

You know, in the 60 campaign, in the real sense that has distinguished from 68, that Madison and Klein were disastrous.

Due to the fact that they had to come up.

The fact that the person was not there.

But it could be 60 months, but in 60, you know, everybody worried me about things.

Screw it.

There's nothing to do about it.

There's nothing to do about anything.

I don't think you should keep away things that you should, but this business of being obsessed with every story, every up and down and hold and all the rest.

Somebody's going to come out this Sunday with this or that or the other thing, and somebody's going to have a blast when somebody isn't for it.

That is what really disturbs people, and you've got to stay away from that.

You've got to stay away from it.

Very important that you've got somebody, someone who is watching and doing what you're doing.

Because other people, if you can't just let those things run their course, because other people, it's true, will be paying attention to all those things.

Not to the degree that we think they do, though.

Maybe you're right.

You know, you think of the time.

Nervous, straining, man out of the event, put in that ITT thing.

I just don't... Well, I don't think... Rose a little, but, you know, passes made that much connection, I think, or something else.

Henry has, I think, one error here.

He's thinking of this, that his trip, you know, like he did about his world report, his trip, it isn't quite the same because this is more newsworthy than his world report.

But his trip to Moscow, it's going to be horrible to think, you know, he puts it all the way to something else.

It's natural.

You know.

Not true.

Not true because,

He's done this sort of thing before, to begin with.

The second thing is that, unless...

Unless there's a clear...

This is like, it's a loser.

Do you agree?

I don't think it's a loser, in any event.

Because, just the very fact that he goes, I'll mark this tough.

The thing was not on.

Well, I hope you can retype it for one sentence.

Well, I would say the way I started it, as I recall, was after reflection on your briefing book, I believe the opening statement should be much deeper.

See, that's what I intended to say.

I apparently turned the damn thing on.

Sometimes it does happen.

The electricity doesn't go on.

I'll get this.

Okay.

I'll, I'll, if you put that one cent, that's not a cent.

Is there any other cost?

When you, when you, when I finish with this,

I want you to take it over to Haig and tell him he should transmit it to Henry.

Now, the one thing you should know is that, as you, of course, have gathered, you are in on something that nobody knows about.

Totally.

And that's nobody in your office or stuff.

But the only person in that other office who knows about it is Haig.

So you take it over and take it to Haig and tell them to transmit it wherever Henry is.

Okay?

And then forget that you heard it.

Oh, I would do.

Well, I know, but I have to .

Oh, there.

Oh, I know, but there are occasions.

This is something I don't want.

Marshall, for example.

Yeah.

Nobody.

OK. See, the general, the opening should all be mentioned.

But I think we have to have in mind the character of the man we are meeting, fresh and simple, direct, blunt, and brutal.

The sophisticated roast meat of the Chinese is either necessary or wise with that.

On the contrary, while you should, of course, be gracious and forthcoming, particularly to be ending your statement, I think you should very quickly get to the heart of the matter.

You will find that his interest period of talking to him will be to filibuster and spend relatively little time on Vietnam.

Our goal of talking to him is solely to get action on Vietnam.

I can put it with a demerit heart there.

And it ain't even accomplished with him on the summit.

He could have accomplished it as well with the brand.

In other words, you should approach these dogs recognizing the fresh neck and popular mingo as well.

What happens to their crying hearing?

Their crying hearing.

Getting used to their crying hearing.

Getting used to talking about the sun.

Your crying hearing, just in fact,

but I think it would be well not to spend too much time on the general philosophy questions.

My general philosophy is quite kind of a man, having in mind the fact that he may pick you up,

I'll let you know when I'm ready.

Having in mind the fact that he may pick you up.

On those subjects, I'm delighted digressing in those fields.

I think you can get across to him and his side as a kind of a man of residence, but I think the most effective way you can get it across is that he has top of his nails and insists on talking about Vietnam first and not letting him get away with discussions of philosophy and personalities or other some of them that night until you agree to some sort of understanding of Vietnam.

I believe you're gonna have to play this pretty much while you're at it, as long as you have the most composition you can make in the spot.

I agree.

Vietnam, the Vietnam message, you know, having proved a strike, you know, we'll understand that.

We'll stay in silence.

He needs to hear it.

Don't you agree?

I think you're right.