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Start Date: 4-May-1972 1:24 PM

End Date: 4-May-1972 1:51 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:22:53

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:49:10

719a.mp3

719b.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 1:51 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 719-022 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 719-22

Date: May 4, 1972
Time: 1:24-1:51 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President's meeting with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters
          -President's report

     Haldeman's meeting with John B. Connally and Henry A. Kissinger
                                              35

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Jan-02)
                                                                     Conv. No. 719-22 (cont.)

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 1:24 pm.

     Ronald L. Ziegler
         -Meeting with the President

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 1:27 pm.

     Meeting with Connally
          -Haldeman's discussion
               -Connally's discussion
               -Polls

     Vietnam
          -Connally's advice
               -Necessity of victory
                     -Kissinger
                     -Military action
                           -Bombing
                           -Blockade
               -Soviet Summit
                     -Cancellation
                           -Responsibility
                                 -Soviet Union
               -Kissinger
               -Bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong
                     -Intensity
                     -Targets
                     -Civilian casualties
                           -Paul N. McCloskey's charges
                           -Press coverage
                           -Kissinger's position
               -Soviet Summit
                     -Soviet intentions
                     -Cancellation
                     -Kissinger's position
               -Bombing
                     -President's decision
                           -President's speech

Ziegler entered at 1:27 pm.

     J. Edgar Hoover building
                                             36

                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Jan-02)
                                                             Conv. No. 719-22 (cont.)

           -Announcement
               -Release

     President's eulogy
          -Ziegler's opinion

Ziegler left at 1:31 pm.

     Vietnam
          -North Vietnam offensive
               -Soviet summit
                     -Possible cancellation
                           -President’s response
               -Blockade
                     -Timing with summit
                     -Advantages
                           -Cancellation of summit
               -Connally’s advice
                     -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
                     -Kissinger
                     -Melvin R. Laird
               -President’s policies
                     -Public support
               -South Vietnam performance
                     -Morale
                           -Kissinger’s opinion
                           -Abrams’s opinion
                     -Improvements
                     -Effect of Kissinger’s trip to Moscow
               -Bombing
                     -Risks to summit
                           -Kissinger’s view
               -Blockade
                     -Kissinger’s position
                     -President’s position
                     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr’s position
                           -The President’s view
               -Bombing
                     -Impact on North Vietnam
                     -North Vietnam dikes
                     -Kissinger’s opinion
               -Soviet summit
                             37

     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. Jan-02)
                                                     Conv. No. 719-22 (cont.)

     -Possible cancellation
           -Connally’s advice
                 -President’s opinion
           -Comparison to U-2 incident
                 -Effect on Dwight D. Eisenhower
           -Connally’s view of public opinion
                 -On Vietnam
                 -On summit cancellation
                 -On People's Republic of China [PRC] visit
     -President’s military response
     -Kissinger’s position on cancellation
     -Connally’s position on cancellation
           -Soviet initiative
                 -US military action
-Blockade
     -Support from Kissinger, military
     -Problems
           -Future North Vietnam negotiations with Democratic President
           -Kissinger’s position
-Bombing
     -Civilian casualties
           -President’s assessment of Connally’s advice
-Soviet summit
     -Possible cancellation
           -Connally’s position
           -Kissinger’s position
           -Bombing
                 -Effect on summit
           -Responsibility
-US military defeat
     -Political impact
           -Connally’s assessment of President's position
     -President’s standing with public
-Soviet summit
     -Possible cancellation
-US response
     -Bombing
           -Kissinger’s position
           -President’s attitude
           -Abrams
                 -Position
           -Connally’s advice
                                          38

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. Jan-02)
                                                                Conv. No. 719-22 (cont.)

                           -Compared with Laird and William P. Rogers
          -Polls
                -Charles H. Percy's polls in Illinois
                       -Statements on bombing
                -Necessity of blockade
                -Illinois attitudes
                -Effect of polls
          -US military defeat
          -Soviet summit
                -Possible cancellation
                       -Kissinger’s position
          -Bombing
                -Advantages
                -Timing
                       -Kissinger’s advice
                             -The President’s view
                -Public opinion
                       -Support for the president's actions
                -Damage
                       -Gen. John W. Vogt's report

Hoover funeral
    -President's eulogy
          -Reception
          -Delivery
                -President's conversation with Rev. Edward L.R. Elson
    -Photographs
          -Elson
          -President's arrival
    -President's eulogy
          -Length
                -Number of words
                -Time
          -References
                -Law and order
                -Patriotism
                -Critics
          -Biblical quotation
                      -John K. Andrews, Jr.
    -Honor guard
          -William F. Rhatican's idea
    -US Army chorus
                                              39

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Jan-02)
                                                                     Conv. No. 719-22 (cont.)

          -Pallbearers
          -Press reaction
                -The President’s view

     Vietnam
          -North Vietnam offensive
               -Bombing
                     -Public reaction
                           -Poll results
               -Initiation
               -Public reaction
                     -Relation to Soviet Summit
                           -Connally's views
                           -Possible cancellation
                                 -Kissinger's view

The President and Haldeman left at 1:51 pm.