Conversation 726-013

TapeTape 726StartFriday, May 19, 1972 at 4:05 PMEndFriday, May 19, 1972 at 4:13 PMTape start time02:50:12Tape end time03:01:37ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Byrd, Robert C.;  Ehrlichman, John D.;  MacGregor, Clark;  White House photographer;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office

On May 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Robert C. Byrd, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:05 pm to 4:13 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 726-013 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 726-13

Date: May 19, 1972
Time: 4:05 pm - 4:13 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Robert C. Byrd, John D. Ehrlichman, and Clark MacGregor; the White
House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Greetings

     [Photograph session]
          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins

         -Arrangements
    -Byrd's last visit
         -Vietnam
                -US withdrawal
                       -Byrd's views

Black lung bill
     -Memorandum to President from Caspar W. Weinberger and MacGregor
           -Costs per annum
                 -“Budget-buster”
     -Byrd's views
           -MaGregor's report
     -Ehrlichman
           -Meeting with President
           -Talk with Byrd
     -President's signature
           -Announcement
           -Date
           -Arch A. Moore, Jr.
     -Meeting with Byrd
           -Announcement
     -President's decision
           -Announcement
     -Costs
           -Byrd's help
     -President's veto
           -Reason
           -Override in Congress
                 -Likelihood
                 -Re-introduction
                       -Likelihood of passage
     -President's support
     -Byrd's meeting with President
           -Press statement
                 -President's considerations
                 -Presentation of case for bill
                 -Decision by President
                       -Date
                 -Tone of meeting
                 -Decision by President
                       -Speculation
     -Call to Moore
           -Date

               -Time
               -Ehrlichman and MacGregor
           -Announcement of decision
               -MacGregor's role
                     -Time

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:05 pm.

     Congressional leaders
         -Location

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:13 pm.

     Black-lung bill
          -Byrd's meeting with President
               -Press statement
                     -Moore's support for bill
                     -Byrd's conversation and meeting with President
                     -Call to office
                     -Time
                           -Congressional leaders meeting

     President's Soviet trip
          -Byrd's best wishes
          -Expected results
                 -Vietnam
                 -Effect in Congress

     Congressional leaders meeting
         -Byrd's presence

Byrd and MacGregor left at 4:13 pm.

The President left at 4:13 pm.

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Take that over to the OBP, sir.
Thank you.
This way
He changed his view.
I'm sorry.
Bob, I can make this very clear.
This bill is a tough one.
I just read a comment from my neighbor in the city of Chicago who said it cost $900 million.
the budget buster and this, that, and the other thing, bad president, and so forth and so on.
And then I'd get a gift of myself, and I'd inquire myself here if it was John Irving, and then this morning, and I'd ask John, I'd say, now, did you talk to John?
Yes.
And I'd ask John, I said, what did you do?
And so I think you should know that I decided to sign it.
Great.
Now, I would like for you to, if you would, keep it in the conference tomorrow.
We'd like to announce it tomorrow.
I think it's only there that Arch knows about it.
But you and Arch...
We'll make a decision tomorrow.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
If the decision is made, it's done, I'm gonna sign the bill.
Very good, fine.
Now, in the meantime, you help us out.
We've gotta keep those costs down, and let's find ways of administering.
We don't wanna hurt people that really need it, but it is a real problem.
And if you'll help as much as you can, we'd appreciate it if you do that.
Whatever we can have.
The thing is that I figure the way that we use it, if I veto it, which I should from a standpoint of fiscal responsibility, the veto might be sustained, it might not.
But then it'll be introduced again next year, and it'll be passed, and it'll be passed over veto.
So under the circumstances, the thing to do is to do it the right way.
And, frankly, it's, you know, everybody who sits in this chair now and then, even though I'm supposed to be a pretty tough guy, you've got to have some feeling of heart with those poor damn people.
And so it's not real.
But I feel it also for you calling now, and I appreciate it.
Mr. President, we have a question.
We had indicated to the press that I would be down to see you about this.
And I'll have to say something.
What can I say?
You should say that it's a very, very hard question for him because he has serious budget limitations.
And the president has on his desk a
You know, a recommendation for me to, as well as an argument to, on the other side, that you presented the case and the president said, well, we'd like to have a federal investigation tomorrow.
And that you would say that, well, that I...
And they say, well, are you pleased with your visit?
And you say yes.
This is all I can ask.
And you can say to the president, listen.
If you hear the case, if you hear the case, you can pick me up.
I'd leave a little bit of ideas, but maybe not that I'm going to leave them, but just maybe that I'm still going to ask for your information.
And the decision is made.
Can I say that I'm pleased with my visit?
I think you should say that I was, that you were pleased with your visit and that the president listened and wanted to, uh,
Heard all the arguments, heard all that you presented the case, effectively that he seemed to be very impressed by the case you presented.
He's going to consider that along with, of course, the other matters that made the decision to be announced tomorrow.
And they'll probably get something assigned, which is all right, too.
John, I can work the situation out.
I can call Arch tomorrow morning.
But your decision about the announcement, I can coordinate.
Well, I made the decision, and you worked out the time for the announcement.
The first thing I'd say, what do you think, John?
Yes, and tomorrow, tomorrow you're going to be on TV, right?
And I believe that you might be all of a sudden, you might want to mention that classic, one of the other things, the president has before him, is a very strong representation from the government.
Yeah, you might say that to us, but if you would, I would call again to come tomorrow to this.
Now, may I just make this quick question?
Could I call my office with you standing by while the President's going on in?
So I don't have my office because we're going to have to say something.
How about this meeting last year?
Oh, it would be over here.
So then I can call the mayor.
Why don't you do that?
You don't need to have that.
You know, you just say, you call your office.
I call the mayor's office.
You just say that.
All right.
Fair enough.
Thank you, Mr. President.
I hope we can make some progress.
We'll do that for help on the hill.
Uh, why don't you and I wrap this thing up a little bit a little bit.
Then I'll take care of the rest of the client.
Okay, you go on and I'll take care of it.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Good night.