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Start Date: 13-Jun-1972 9:52 AM

End Date: 13-Jun-1972 11:09 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.Stennis, John C.Korologos, Thomas C.Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ziegler, Ronald L.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.Stennis, John C.Korologos, Thomas C.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:34:41

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:53:19

NARA Description:

On June 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, John C. Stennis, and Thomas C. Korologos met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:52 am to 11:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 732-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 732-6

Date: June 13, 1972
Time: 9:52-11:09 am.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     The President's telephone call to Dan Rather
          -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] coverage of wedding

     Barbara Walters

H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:53 am.

     The President's knowledge of television coverage
          -CBS
          -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
          -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]

     Dan Rather
         -The President's telephone call

Ziegler left at 9:53 am.


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     Spiro T. Agnew
          -Role in administration
                -Nixon's relationship with Dwight D. Eisenhower
                -The President's view
          -Relations with Congress
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          -Senate votes
     -John N. Mitchell

John B. Connally
     -Henry A. Kissinger
     -Approach as Secretary of Treasury
     -Presidency
     -Haldeman’s view

Kissinger
     -Role in administration in second term
     -Problems

Vice President's residence
     -Agnew
     -The President's view
     -Possible locations
     -Marjorie Merriweather Post's houses
           -Possible government guest house in Palm Beach
                 -Luis Echeverria Alvarez
                 -Camp David
           -Layout of beach house in Florida
           -Budget conditions
           -Facilities
           -Possible congressional action

Possible Presidential appearance on Capitol Hill
     -Kissinger
     -The President
     -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
     -Problems of precedents
     -Alternatives

The President’s possible meeting with Congressional leaders
     -Strategic Arms Limitations Talks [SALT]
     -Kissinger’s briefing
           -Presentation
           -Length
     -The President's response to questions from Congressmen
           -J. William Fulbright
     -Possible attendees
           -Congressional committees
     -Melvin R. Laird, William P. Rogers, Gerard C. Smith
     -Problems
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         -The President’s role
              -Preparation
         -John C. Stennis


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    John D. Ehrlichman
         -Administration position on busing
              -Need for public relations
                    -Spokesman
              -Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania
              -George C. Wallace
         -Need for the President's press conference
              -Position on busing
              -Rationale

    The President’s possible meeting with Congressmen dealing with SALT
    talks
          -Timing
          -Format
               -Questions
                     -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                     -The President's view
                     -Smith
          -Fulbright
               -Lyndon B. Johnson
               -Cambodia


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      Kissinger
          -US News and World Report article
                -Length
                     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -World report
                -Value of report
                     -Length
                     -The President's view
                     -Department of State

     Walter H. Annenberg
          -Swimming pool
               -Contribution
               -Edward R. G. Heath
                    -Chequers
               -White House
                    -Tennis court

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:53 am.

     Meeting with Thomas C. Korologos, Clark MacGregor, and Stennis
          -Kissinger's presence
          -Kissinger's location
                -Joseph W. Alsop

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:26 am.

     Tennis court at White House
          -Value
               -The President's view

     Sequoia
          -Seaworthiness
               -The President's view
          -New boats
               -Timing
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                     -Election
         -Gift to government
               -US Navy
         -Seaworthiness of a new yacht
               -Specifications


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    Swimming pool
        -Camp David

    Kissinger
         -Stennis meeting
              -MacGregor

    White House staff
         -Congressional staff
               -The President's view
         -Press secretaries
               -Ziegler
               -Herbert G. Klein
               -The President's view
                     -Staff
         -Domestic Council
               -Staffing
         -Congressional liaison office
               -Staffing
                     -Haldeman’s view
                     -Eisenhower years
                            -Bryce N. Harlow
                            -Wilton B. (“Jerry”) Persons
         -Staff cuts
               -The President's view
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          -Transfers to campaign staff
               -Dale Grubb, Richard K. Cook, Korologos
                and Wallace H. Johnson
          -Domestic Council
               -The President's view
               -Ehrlichman and MacGregor
          -Specialists
               -Foreign policy briefing book
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan
               -Kissinger

     Possible press conference
          -The President's view
          -Television

     The President's schedule
          -Trip to Florida
          -Press conference
          -Meeting with Gerald R. Ford, [Thomas ] Hale Boggs
                -Trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:53 am.

     Kissinger's presence
          -Meeting with the President and Stennis
          -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

Bull left at unknown time before 10:26 am.

Haldeman spoke with Kissinger at an unknown time after 9:53 am.

     [Conversation No. 732-5A]

     The President’s schedule
          -Stennis
          -Kissinger

[End of telephone conversation.]

     News summary
         -Richard G. Kleindienst

Kissinger entered and Haldeman left at 10:26 am.
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     Meeting on PRC
          -Haig

     Kissinger's breakfast meeting with Dobrynin
          -US bombing in North Vietnam
                -Chinese response
                      -Public statement
                      -US response
                -Briefing for Dobrynin
                -US intentions
                -Nikolai V. Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
                -US policy
                -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                -Hanoi
                -Haiphong
          -Procedures by US
                -PRC
                -Soviet Union response
          -Dobrynin
          -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
                -Haig's conversation with Dobrynin

Stennis and Korologos entered at 10:28 am.

     Greetings

     Kissinger’s previous trip to Japan

     SALT
         -Defense position
              -Effect on negotiations
         -Mining of Haiphong Harbor
         -Negotiations
              -The President's view
         -US
              -Soviet Union

     Negotiations with Soviet Union
         -US strength
         -SALT II negotiations
         -New weapons systems
                -Defense Department
                -The President's view
                     -Undersea Long-Range Missile System [ULMS]
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                 -B-1 bomber
     -Stennis's support
          -Defense budget
          -Foreign aid
          -Anti-Ballistic Missil System [ABM]

Peace advocates
     -US strength

North Vietnamese actions
     -An Loc, Hue, Kontum
           -Military action
     -Problems in north
     -Antiwar resolutions
           -Effect
           -Encouragement of North Vietnamese
     -Strength of North Vietnamese

US negotiating position in Vietnam
    -US policy
          -Military actions
    -Cease fire
    -Prisoners of War [POWs]
    -US leverage
    -Michael J. Mansfield amendment

Vietnam war
     -Negotiations
     -US dealings with Soviet Union and PRC
          -Impact on North Vietnamese
     -US Congressional action
          -Resolution
     -Soviet Union delegation visit to Hanoi

US session with Soviet Union on Vietnam
     -The President’s previous trip to Soviet Union
     -Leonid I. Brezhnev, Aleksei N. Kosygin, Nikolai V. Podgorny
          -Meeting with the President
     -Soviet Union position
     -The President's conversation with Brezhnev
          -Length
          -SALT
          -Location
                -The President's previous trip to Soviet Union
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                       -Nikita S. Khrushchev
           -US position
                 -Brezhnev’s response
           -Reasons for Soviet Union position
     -Kosygin
           -Head of State dinner
           -Conversation with the President
                 -Toast at dinner
     -Kissinger's talk with Andrei I. Gromyko
           -US proposals to Hanoi
                 -President’s previous comments to Congress
     -US policy
           -The President’s telephone call to Brezhnev
     -Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
     -US-Soviet Union communique
           -Reference to US actions
           -President
                 -Soviet Union and PRC offers
     -Possible Senate Resolution
           -Effect
     -US position
           -Cease fire
           -POWs
           -Senate Resolution on war
                 -The President's view
                 -Funding
                 -Soviet Union and PRC offers

The President's conversation with Brezhnev
     -Khrushchev
     -Offers to North Vietnamese
          -Brezhnev
                 -Cease-fire
          -US position
                 -Cease-fire
                 -POWs
     -George S. Mcgovern's election
          -Effect
     -Need to stop Senate Resolution
     -Soviet Union response to US proposals

Vietnam
     -Cease fire
          -US advantages
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         -North Vietnam
    -Senate Resolution
         Stennis’s possible comments
US bombing
    -North Vietnamese supplies
         -Effect

Stennis's motion in Senate
     -Mansfield resolution
     -Herman E. Talmadge
     -David H. Gambrell
     -William B. Spong, Jr.

McGovern
   -Source of support

Mansfield resolution
    -Amendments
    -Stennis opposition

Military procurement bill
     -Allen J. Ellender
     -Stennis’s view
     -B-1 bomber
     -Command post
     -ABM
     -Command post
           -SALT talks
           -Senate action
           -Impact on Moscow
           -The President's view
     -B-1, ULMS
           -The President's view
     -Bargaining with Soviets
           -SALT
           -Soviet missile capacities
           -Jackson

US military strength
     -ULMS
           -Crash program
           -David Packard [?]
     -Bargaining with Soviets
Military procurement bill
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            -ABM
            -Cut-backs in research and development
                 -Stennis’s view

      The President's talk with Stennis
           -Stennis’s statement
                -The President's view
           -The President's desire for second round of negotiations
                -Arms programs
                       -US Navy
                       -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Laird

      Talks with Dobrynin
           -Negotiations with Soviets

      SALT talks
          -Second round of talks
                -The President’s policy
          -US security
          -Weapons freeze
                -Soviet Union
          -Second round of talks
                -Timing
                -ABM
                     -Conditions

      Stennis’s Congressional hearings
           -Objections to SALT
                 -Jackson
           -Organization of hearings
                 -White House staff members
           -Senate action
                 -Stennis’s efforts
                 -Military procurement
                       -B-1 bomber
                       -Amount

      The President's Vietnam military policies
           -Mining

Kissinger, et. al. left at 11:09 am.
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