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Start Date: 13-Jun-1972 11:43 AM

End Date: 13-Jun-1972 1:18 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:16:21

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:51:23

NARA Description:

On June 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:43 am to 1:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 732-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 732-11

Date: June 13, 1972
Time: 11:43 am.-1:18 pm.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Stephen B. Bull.

     Henry A. Kissinger's and schedule
         -People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
         -Staff meeting

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:44 am.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 2m 25s     ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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Kissinger entered at 11:44 am.

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Staff meeting
                -PRC

     Meeting with the President
          -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] briefing
                -Congresssional leaders
                     -East Room
                -Compared with Cambodia briefing

Kissinger left at 11:45 am.

              -Possible benefits
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 10m 12s    ]


Haldeman talked with Charles W. Colson at an unknown time between 11:45 am. and 12:27 p.m.
The President can be heard in the background.

     [Conversation No. 732-11a]

          [See Conversation No. 25-56; one item has been withdrawn
     from this conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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     Foreign policy public relations efforts
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -William L. Safire
          -Administration spokesman
                -The President's view
                      -S. Steven Karalakas
                -Price
                -Buchanan
                -Kissinger
                -Unnamed writer
                      -Previous Nelson A. Rockefeller employee

     Possible White House staff testimony before Congress
          -Kissinger
          -Haldeman
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Peter M. Flanigan
                -Previous testimony
          -Haldeman’s view
                -Other members of White House staff
                     -Cabinet officers
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     -Kissinger's role in presenting SALT Treaty
           -Meeting with Congressmen
                -J. William Fulbright
                -The President's view
                       -Public relations aspect
                             -Invitation to White House
                -Haldeman’s view

Irving Kristol’s book [On the Democratic Ideal in America]
      -The President’s instructions
      -Ehrlichman
      -Price
      -Buchanan
      -Ehrlichman
      -Cabinet officers
            -George P. Shultz
            -Elliot L. Richardson
            -George W. Romney
      -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
      -Herbert Stein
      -Arthur F. Burns
      -Richard G. Kleindienst
      -Warren E. Burger
      -Letter from the President

Kissinger’s possible testimony
     -Meeting with Congressmen on SALT
           -East Room
           -Purpose
     -Briefing in East Room
           -Haldeman’s view
           -Television coverage
           -Radio coverage
           -The President's view
           -Melvin R. Laird
           -William P. Rogers
           -Gerard C. Smith

Rogers
    -Possible meeting with the President
          -Rogers's forthcoming trip to Asia
               -Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO]
               -Australia, New Zealand and the US [ANZUS]
    -Kissinger's trip to PRC
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              -Chinese invitation
              -Length of trip
              -Previous trip to Soviet Union
         -Timing

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 2m 17s     ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Legislation
         -House Resolution [HR] 1
               -The President's view
               -Richardson, James D. Hodgson

    The President’s possible press conference
         -Colson recommendations
              -East Room
              -Subjects
                     -Vietnam
                     -SALT
                    -Political question
                     -Unemployment
                     -Busing
                     -Tax reform
         -Timing
         -Preparation
         -Colson’s view
         -Location
              -California
              -East Room
         -The President's view
         -Timing
              -Date
              -Vietnam announcement
                    -Draft
                    -Troop withdrawal
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          -Colson's recommendations
               -The President’s preparation
               -Ramifications
          -Location of press conference
          -Questions
          -Timing
               -Vietnam announcement
               -The President’s schedule
                     -Forthcoming US News and World Report article
                           -The President's view
               -New York primary
               -The President’s wedding anniversary
          -Colson's group
               -Qualities
               -Richard A. Moore, John A. Scali
               -Visit to Capitol

Kissinger entered at 12:27 pm.


     Kissinger's talk with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Kissinger's possible testimony before Congress
                -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

     Kissinger's possible testimony in Congress
          -Disadvantages
                -Flanigan
          -Possible briefing in East Room
                -Advantages
                      -Television
                -Format
                -Fulbright and John C. Stennis
                -Committees
                -Attendees
                -The President's opening statement
                -Various formats
                      -Questions
                      -Statements
                      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                -Kissinger's opening statement
                -Television
                      -Senate ratification
                      -Public relations
                            -Smith
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                -Advantages
                -The President's view
           -Kissinger's television appearances
                 -Timing
                 -Advantages
     -Presidential press conferences
           -Timing
                -Colson
                -1972 election
                -US foreign policy
                -US domestic policy
                -Republican convention
           -Democratic convention
           -The President's image
                -Scali, Moore, Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Kissinger's recommendation
                 -Timing
                      -Kissinger’s trip to PRC
                      -Nikolai V. Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
                 -Charles A. J. M. DeGaulle
                      -Stature
           -Previous administration efforts
                -The President’s speech on Vietnam, November 3, 1969
                -The President’s PRC trip
                      -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
           -Timing
                -Colson
                -Kissinger
                -Haldeman
                -The President’s policies
           -The President's image
                -Opponents
                -Respect for the President

The President's opponents
     -Different groups
     -Respect for the President

Presidential press conference
     -Timing
           -Date
           -Podgorny trip
           -Kissinger's trip
           -Kissinger’s view
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           -Democratic convention
           -Kissinger’s view
           -Previous television interview of the President
                -Dan Rather
                      -Kissinger’s view
                -Comparison with press conference
                      -Advantages
                -Television interview
                      -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr., Howard K. Smith, John W. Chancellor
                            -Visibility
                      -Rather
                      -Value
                            -Haldeman’s view

Kissinger's possible Congressional briefing
     -Advantages
           -Television
           -Laird, Rogers, Smith
           -Fulbright
     -Opening statment
           -Release to press
           -Length
     -Radio
     -Kissinger
           -Haig
     -Arms control
           -Smith
           -White House involvement
           -The President's intervention

Arms control
    -Message to Congress
          -Administration policy
          -Test Ban Treaty
    -Smith
    -Nonproliferation treaty and Test Ban Treaty
          -The President’s policy
                -Smith
          -Kissinger’s trip to Japan
                -Department of State
                -US policy
                -Eisaku Sato
                -Takeo Fukuda
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State Department
      -Support for Nonproliferation Treaty
           -The President's view
           -Japanese position

Kissinger's trip to Japan
     -PRC view
     -Fukuda
           -Consultation with US


SALT and Anti-Ballistic Missile [ABM] treaties briefings
    -Fulbright
    -Ratification
    -Congressional hearings
    -Kissinger's testimony
          -Protocol
    -Possible briefing at the White House
          -Timing
    -Executive privilege
    -Kissinger's briefing
          -Timing
          -The President's meeting with Luis Echeverria Alvarez
          -Location
    -Preparation for briefing
    -Timing
    -Kissinger
          -Meeting with Echeverria and Emilio Rabasa
    -Preparation
          -The President’s role
          -Kissinger’s role
    -Timing
          -Echeverria
          -Kissinger
                -Preparation
    -Location
    -Time
    -Clark MacGregor
          -Meeting with Fulbright
    -Kissinger
    -Timing
    -Location
          -White House Theatre
          -Briefing room in Old Executive Office Building [OEOB]
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          -East Room
     -Timing
     -Length
     -The President's opening of meeting
     -Recording and transcript
     -Timing

Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to PRC
     -Kissinger's briefing of Rogers
           -Haig’s message to Philip C. Habib
           -Rogers's trip
                 -SEATO
                 -ANZUS
                 -North Vietnam
                       -John B. Connally
                            -Hanoi

Press conference by the President
     -Timing
     -Kissinger's trip to PRC
           -Public response
     -Timing
           -Colson
           -Kissinger's trip to the PRC
           -Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
                -Public announcement

Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
    -US bombing in North Vietnam
         -The President’s instructions
              -Podgorny's trip
         -Public announcements
              -PRC protests

PRC policy on Vietnam
    -US bombing
          -Limits on bombing

Kissinger's Congressional briefing
     -Time
           -Wednesday compared with Thursday
     -Radio coverage
           -State Department
     -Transcript
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           -Rogers, Laird
           -Arrangements
           -Timing
           -Length of time
                 -Echeverria welcome ceremony
                       -Public relations
           -Rogers, Laird, and Smith
           -Interruptions
                 -Echeverria welcoming ceremony
           -East Room
                 -Preparation
           -Timing

     Press conference by the President
          -Timing
                -Kissinger’s trip to PRC
          -Podgorny visit to North Vietnam
          -Possible private US-North Vietnam negotiations

Kissinger left at 1:15 pm.

     Possible Presidential press conference
          -Domestic policy
          -Announcement
                -Possible wording
                      -Domestic policy
          -Timing
          -Subjects
                -Foreign policy
                      -SALT
                -Domestic questions
          -Timing
                -Announcement
                -Kissinger
                -Ehrlichman
          -Domestic policy
                -The President's view
          -MacGregor

Haldeman left at 1:18 pm.