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Start Date: 21-Jun-1972 12:38 PM

End Date: 21-Jun-1972 1:22 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Rockefeller, Nelson A.Volpe, John A.Javits, Jacob K.Buckley, James L.Ehrlichman, John D.Gifford, William L.Ronan, William A.Butterfield, Alexander P.[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:29:55

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:15:26

NARA Description:

On June 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Nelson A. Rockefeller, John A. Volpe, Jacob K. Javits, James L. Buckley, John D. Ehrlichman, William L. Gifford, William A. Ronan, Alexander P. Butterfield, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:38 pm to 1:22 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 739-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 739-10

Date: June 21, 1972
Time: 12:38-1:22 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Nelson A. Rockefeller, John A. Volpe, Jacob K. Javits, James L.
Buckley, John D. Ehrlichman, William L. Gifford, William A. Ronan, and Alexander P.
Butterfield.

[Members of the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of this
meeting]

     Greetings

     Mass transit grant in New York

     Bond issue

     Mass transit grant
         -Purchase of new subway cars
         -New York City transit
                -Compared to Moscow transit system
         -Need for leadership
                -John V. Lindsay
                -Ronan
                -Business community
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The President's previous conversation with Arthur F. Burns
     -Burns's trip
           -Importance of leadership
     -Relation of political stability to capital investment
           -Cuba
                 -Fidel Castro
           -Chile
                 -Stability
                     -Effect on investment
           -Brazil
                 -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
           -The President’s previous conversation with Luis Echeverria Alvarez

Grumman aircraft
    -F-14 fighter plane
          -Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.
          -Contract re-negotiation
    -Space shuttle
          -Number of jobs in New York and California
          -McDonnell-Douglas
          -F-14 contract re-negotiation
                -Zumwalt
          -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
                -James C. Fletcher
    -Financial condition
          -Lockheed
    -Space shuttle
          -Funding
          -Ghettos
          -Employment
          -Cooperation with Soviet Union
          -The President’s view
                -F-14 production
                -McDonnell-Douglas
                -Procurement
    -F-14s
          -Israel
                -Possible purchase

The President's previous conversation with Burns
     -Israel
           -Acquisition of arms
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                 -Soviet intervention
                      -Role of US President
                           -US policy
                                  -Defense policy
                                  -Military forces
                           -Jordan crisis
                                  -US actions
                 -US policy
                      -Summit conferences
                           -Reasoning
                           -Chou En-Lai
                           -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                           -Will of the US
                                  -US interests
                                        -Burundi
                                        -Middle East
                                        -Europe
                                        -Japan


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      Defense budget
          -Congress
                -People's Republic of China [PRC] and the Soviet Union
          -Importance of strength
                -Volpe’s trip to Soviet Union
                -Catholic church

      Rockefeller’s role in New York City
          -Lindsay [?]

Rockefeller, Javits, Buckley, Gifford, and Ronan left at 1:08 pm.
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                                         Tape Subject Log
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John A. Volpe, Jr. entered at 1:08 pm.

      Greetings

      Presentation of gifts by the President

      Rockefeller

Volpe and Volpe, Jr. left at 1:10 pm.

      Ehrlichman's conversation with Elliot L. Richardson
           -Welfare reform
                -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
           -House Resolution [HR] 1
           -Higher Education bill

The President left at an unknown time after 1:10 pm.

Ehrlichman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 1:10 and 1:22 pm.

[Conversation No. 739-10A]

      Ehrlichman's schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

The President entered at an unknown time before 1:22pm.

      Ehrlichman's conversation with Richardson
           -Higher education bill
                -Possible veto
                     -Busing
                     -Stephen J. Roth decision

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time before 1:22pm.

      Refreshments
           -Ehrlichman’s schedule

      Ehrlichman’s conversation with Richardson
           -Higher education bill
                -Possible veto
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                -Irving Kristol's book
                      -Warren E. Burger
                -Education
                      -The President
                -George S. McGovern
                -The President's conversation with Caspar W. Weinberger
                      -Other veto possibilities
           -Higher education
                -Richardson
                      -As an industry


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     Busing
          -Robert P. Griffin
          -Richard G. Valeriani

     Richardson
         -Welfare reform

Ehrlichman left at 1:22 pm.