Conversation 745-002

TapeTape 745StartFriday, June 30, 1972 at 4:30 PMEndFriday, June 30, 1972 at 6:15 PMTape start time00:13:54Tape end time02:02:58ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  MacGregor, Clark;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Hoopes, David C.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Woods, Rose Mary;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office

President Nixon, H.R. Haldeman, and Clark MacGregor held an extensive meeting to discuss legislative business, specifically the Social Security bill, alongside a major focus on the emerging Watergate scandal. The participants coordinated efforts to manage the political fallout and investigation regarding the Committee to Re-elect the President, including the involvement of G. Gordon Liddy, E. Howard Hunt, and John Mitchell. They deliberated on creating a strategic 'scenario' to handle the cover-up, addressed campaign finance irregularities, and managed the optics of John Mitchell's potential resignation.

Watergate scandalSocial Security billCampaign financeJohn MitchellG. Gordon LiddyPolitical strategy

Audio for this conversation has not yet been released by the National Archives.

On June 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Clark MacGregor, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, David C. Hoopes, Ronald L. Ziegler, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:30 pm to 6:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 745-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 745-2

Date: June 30, 1972
Time: 4:30-6:15 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Clark MacGregor.

     Social Security bill
          -Conference Committee
          -Wilbur D. Mills, Albert C. Ullman, James A. Burke, John W. Byrnes, Jackson E.
                Betts
                -Frank F. Church amendment
                -Integrity of trust fund
                      -Effect of bill
                -Possible veto
                      -Byrnes
                -Procedures of conference committee
                      -Mills action
          -John J. Rhodes, John B. Anderson, H. Allen Smith, Byrnes, Leslie C. Arends
                -Opposition to bill
          -George H. Mahon
                -Richard K. Cook
          -Senate actions
                -Wallace F. Bennett amendment

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                    -George P. Shultz
                    -Tax break
                        -Flood victims
         -Washington Star editorial
              -Support of the President's position on Church amendment
         -Length of conference session

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    John N. Mitchell
         -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
         -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
               -Problems

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     MacGregor's staff
         -Cook and Thomas C. Korologos
         -William E. Timmons
               -Responsibilities
                    -Congress

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               -Martha Mitchell
                   -Newsweek call to Barbara MacGregor

Haldeman entered at 4:48 pm.

     MacGregor's staff
         -Timmons
              -Congressional affairs
              -Convention
              -Notification by Haldeman
              -Salary

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Watergate break-in
    -Committee to Reelect the President's [CRP] involvement
    -White House involvement
    -Cubans
    -Mitchell
    -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
          -Role in White House
                -Bay of Pigs
                -Narcotics
                -Other activities
          -Cubans
                -Bay of Pigs
    -Charles W. Colson's involvement
          -Cubans' connection with CRP
                -G. Gordon Liddy
                    -Maurice H. Stans
                    -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
                    -Firing by CRP
                    -Involvement
                           -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                -Mitchell
          -Reasons for resignation
    -The President’s view
          -"Fix"
          -Reason for bugging Democratic National Committee
    -James W. McCord, Jr.’s involvement
          -F. Lee Bailey
    -Effect on the President's candidacy
    -Compared to ITT
    -McGregor's background
    -Possible statement on Mitchell's involvement
    -Hunt
          -Wiretapping equipment
          -Activities
                -Lyndon B. Johnson
          -Colson's involvement
                -Pentagon Papers
          -McCord
                -Bailey
          -Guilty pleas
                -Indictments

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               -Government involvement
                   -Richard M. Helms
                   -CIA
                       -Anti-Castro activities
               -Cubans

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         -MacGregor's role
         -Campaign financing
             -MacGregor’s response
             -W. Clement Stone
             -John A. Mulcahy
             -Stans
             -Democrats
             -Mafia, foreign contributions
             -Reasons for secrecy

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    Social Security bill

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The President left at an unknown time before 5:52 pm.

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The President returned at an unknown time before 5:52 pm.

MacGregor left and David C. Hoopes entered at 5:52 pm

     Pending legislation
          -Migratory waterfowl
                -Veto
          -Private bills

Hoopes left at 5:58 pm.

     Previous meeting with MacGregor
          -Liddy

     Watergate cover-up
         -Liddy to prepare scenario
               -Compared to Gen. John D. Lavelle
               -Check from Kenneth Dahlberg
                    -Campaign finance deadline
               -Mitchell's involvement
               -Laundering money
               -Timing of announcement
         -Liddy
               -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] investigation
               -John W. Dean, III
         -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

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                 -FBI investigation
                      -CIA
                 -Hunt's involvement
                 -Cubans
                      -Focus of scenario
           -Funds
                 -Dahlberg
                      -Dwayne O. Andreas
           -Strategy
           -Other involvements
                 -Colson
                 -Krogh
                 -John D. Ehrlichman
                 -David R. Young, Jr.
                 -Pentagon Papers investigation

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 6:02 pm.

      Reuters story
           -John B. Connally's involvement in Paris negotiations
                 -Ziegler’s response

      The President's meeting with Richard G. Kleindienst
           -Supreme Court decision on capital punishment
           -Applications of capital punishment

Ziegler left at 6:03 pm.

      MacGregor
          -Financial situation
               -Employment at White House

      Watergate cover-up
          -Liddy's scenario
          -Mitchell's suggestion
                -Dean
          -Liddy
                -Scenario
                -White House support
                -Democratic National Committee break-in
                -Finance irregularities
          -Pardons for burglars

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            -Bobby Baker scandals
                 -Lyndon B. Johnson's role
                 -Effect on Johnson's election
            -Campaign finances

     MacGregor's selection
        -Informing people

     List
            -Previous telephone calls from members of the Cabinet

Haldeman talked with Rose Mary Woods at an unknown time between 6:03 and 6:14 pm.

[Conversation No. 745-2A]

     The President’s previous press conference
               -List of cabinet officers
                     -Telephone calls
                     -Delivery to the President

[End of telephone conversation]

     Watergate cover-up
         Mitchell's resignation
         -FBI investigation

     The President's schedule
          -California
                -Ronald W. Reagan
                      -Briefing by Henry A. Kissinger

     Reagan's trips
         -Europe and Japan
         -Compared to Spiro T. Agnew

     Mitchell
          -Resignation
          -Personal problems
                -Martha Mitchell's health

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     Mitchell
          -Letter of resignation
                -Richard A. Moore
          -Woods

     The President's schedule
          -Robert H. Abplanalp
          -Departure from White House

Woods entered at 6:14 pm.

     Abplanalp and Charles G. (“Bob”) Rebozo

Haldeman left at 6:15 pm.

     The President's previous press conference
          -Telephone calls to Woods
               -Rebozo

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:15 pm.

     MacGregor

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:19 pm.

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    Mitchell
         -Resignation
         -Martha Mitchell
              -Health

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         -Effect on John Mitchell
         -Martha Mitchell

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The President and Woods left at 6:19 pm.

No transcript is available for this conversation.