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Start Date: 25-Jul-1972 11:14 AM

End Date: 25-Jul-1972 1:33 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Ziegler, Ronald L.[Unknown person(s)]Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

752-009a.mp3

752-009b.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:14 am to 1:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 752-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 752-9

Date: July 25, 1972
Time: 11:14 am - 1:33 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Weather

     Lyndon B. Johnson
         -Health
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                                   Tape Subject Log
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              -Alexander P. Butterfield


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    White House staff
        -Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
        -Roland L. Elliott
              -Compared to unknown person
                   -State Department
              -Staff
                   -Duties
                        -Correspondence
                               -Non-political
                               -Political
        -Raymond K. Price, Jr.’s staff
              -Duties
                   -Correspondence
        -White House mail
              -Anecdotes
                   -Conventions
              -Responses
                   -Political material
                   -Non-political material
        -Elliott
              -Role in 1962 campaign
                   -California
              -Wife's role
                   -Herbert G. Klein
              -Background
                   -Advertising
                   -Insurance
                   -University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA]
                   -Frederic V. Malek
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                            Tape Subject Log
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-Price's staff
      -Size
      -Loyalty
      -Recruitment
             -Malek
             -Rodney C. Campbell
             -Aram Bakshian
      -Drafts of acceptance speech
             -Campbell
             -Bakshian
             -Campbell
             -The President’s July 24, 1972 meeting with White House staff
                  -Instructions
                         -Use of term “Democratic”
             -“Talking sense” to American people
                  -Adlai E. Stevenson, II in 1952
             -Quotable phrases
                  -The President’s meeting with Price
                  -John D. Ehrlichman
                  -Anecdotes
                  -Rev. John J. McLaughlin
      -Bakshian
             -Background
      -Campbell
      -The President's "Tanya" speech in Soviet Union
             -The President’s June 24, 1972 trip to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
                  -“Jess”
      -John K. Andrews, Jr.
-The President's forthcoming acceptance speech
      -Teleprompter
      -1960, 1968
             -Delivery
                  -Reading
      -Preparation and delivery
             -Vietnam speeches
      -The President's "Tanya" speech in Soviet Union
             -Soviet television
             -Leningrad
             -Diary
             -Price
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     Jokes
          -Delivery
                -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope

     The President's forthcoming acceptance speech
          -"Tanya" speech
                -Audience
          -Preparation
                -Timing

     The President's schedule
          -Press conference
                -Date and format
                      -Ronald L. Ziegler
                -Patrick J. Buchanan's briefing book
                      -Foreign and domestic themes

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:14 am.

     Requested Ziegler be asked to join them

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:01 pm.

     Johnson
          -Health
                -Dr. William M. Lukash

     John B. Connally's schedule
          -George C. Wallace
               -Importance of meeting

Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:14 am.

     Ziegler's schedule
          -Briefing

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:01 pm.

     Refreshments
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     Campaign financing
        -Funds
              -Maurice H. Stans's knowledge
              -Connally
              -Rose Mary Woods
              -Availability
              -Amount
              -Committee to Re-Elect the President
                   -Unreported funds


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Ziegler entered at 12:01 pm.

     Ziegler's previous press briefing
          -Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
                 -Fundraising
                      -Jewish groups
                      -Thomas W. Braden's column
          -Vietnam
                 -Bombing of dikes
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                -William P. Rogers
                -Kurt Waldheim
                -North Vietnam
                     -Propaganda efforts
                     -Dam and dike structure
                            -Length
                     -Flooding
                -US policy
          -Helen A. Thomas's question
                -Civilian casualties
                     -The President's policy
                            -North Vietnamese invasion
                            -Negotiations
     -Property Review Board
     -Security Assistance Program legislation
          -Legislation
                -Senate
                     -House of Representatives

Security Assistance Program legislation
    -John Sherman Cooper
    -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
          -Kissinger
    -Charles H. Percy
          -Presidency
                -Liberals
                -Conservatives
                -Republican National Convention
                    -Reform
    -Ziegler's previous press briefing
          -Vote, July 24, 1972
                -Unilateral withdrawal from Southeast Asia
                    -Fund cut-off
                    -Aid for Southeast Asia
                    -Section 14
                            -Base agreements
                    -Fund cutoff
                            -Effect on negotiations
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                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Oct-06)


The President's schedule
     -Possible press conference
           -Timing
                 -Republican National Convention
           -Format
                 -Television
           -Timing
                 -Acceptance speech
                     -Preparation
           -Themes
                 -Domestic affairs
           -McGovern
           -Format
           -Purpose
                 -Press relations
                 -Bureaucracy

1972 campaign analysis
    -The President's July 24, 1972 meeting with news summary staff
          -Buchanan
          -Allin
                -Staff
                -Television network coverage
    -1968, 1960 campaigns
          -Klein
    -Allin's forthcoming analysis of television network coverage
          -Chicago motorcade example
          -McGovern
                -Compared to the President
          -Tone and slant
    -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] labor special on television
          -Unknown person
          -Charles W. Colson's views
                -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
          -McGovern
          -Impression
                -George Meany
                -Rank and file
                -Richard J. Daley
                -Precinct workers
                -Georgia's Democratic national committeman and woman
                -Julian Bond, [Forename unknown] Johnson
    -Allin's forthcoming analyses
          -Priorities
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                    -Wire services
                        -Television
                    -Other news coverage
                    -News magazines


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     Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
          -Preparation for press conference
                 -Ziegler's call to Victor Gold
                 -Agnew’s schedule
                      -Tennis
                 -The President's preparation
                      -San Clemente
                           -Swimming
                 -Question to Agnew about Thomas F. Eagleton
                 -Staff
                      -Adequacy
                      -Bryce N. Harlow
                           -Possible talk with Haldeman
                           -Secret Service
                      -Buchanan
                -Comments in speeches
                      -Buchanan
                           -Charles E. Goodell comment
                                   -Christine Jorgenson
                                   -Editing
                      -Editing
                           -Joseph R. McCarthy
                      -Eagleton

An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 12:01 pm.
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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     The President’s schedule
          -Kissinger

The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 12:41 pm.

     1972 Campaign
         -Agnew
              -Potential
              -Talk with the President
                    -Possible leak
              -Hugh Scott's statement about the President
                    -Ziegler's conversation with Robert Pierpoint
                         -News summary
         -The President's comments
              -Political matters
                    -Republican National Convention
                         -California
                    -Press conference
                         -Television

Kissinger entered at 12:41 pm.

          -The President’s schedule
                -Previous meeting with Kissinger
          -Colson
          -Eagleton
                -Statement about the President's trip to People's Republic of China [PRC] and
                     the Soviet Union
                     -Vietnam
                     -White House response
                          -Alleged diplomatic machinations
                          -Vietnam
                                 -Delay of war’s end
                          -Ziegler’s role
                     -The President's statement to Dan Rather
                          -Edward M. Kennedy's statement about Vietnam
          -George S. McGovern
                -Statement about Vietnam, July 24, 1972
                     -US bombing
                     -Peace settlement
                          -Timing
                     -Republican response
                          -Compared to White House response
                          -Clark M. MacGregor
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                        -Scott
                        -George D. Aiken
                        -Preparation
              -Statement about aid to Greece
                   -Connally's response
                   -Greeks' response
              -Possible Republican response
                   -State Department
                        -Rogers
                   -Secretary of Defense
              -Tennis teacher Allie Ritzenberg [?]
                   -Lawrence F. O'Brien, Jr.
                   -Press coverage
              -Comment about staff
              -Analysis of foreign policy statements
                   -Kissinger's staff
                        -News summary
                        -Winston Lord
                        -Peter W. Rodman
                   -Colson, Kenneth W. Clawson
                   -Agnew, Eagleton
              -PRC, Soviet Union, North Vietnam

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    1972 campaign
        -The President's meeting with Eagleton and his son
              -Life photograph
              -Open Door Hour
        -Agnew
              -Relations with Harlow
                    -Dwight D. Eisenhower
        -Eagleton
        -Agnew
              -Competence
                    -Compared to Eagleton
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                 -Qualities
                      -Compared to Eagleton
           -Eagleton
                 -Background
           -McGovern
                 -Compared to the PResident
                 -Analysis of foreign policy statements
                 -US casulaties
                 -Allegation that administration deliberately prolonging Vietnam War
           -1968 campaign
                 -Johnson, John F. Kennedy
           -Vietnam
                 -Casualties
                      -Timing
                 -Kennedy and Johnson Administration action
                      -Compared to Nixon Administration action
                 -McGovern's policy
                 -The President's meeting with Price's staff
                      -State Department
                      -US withdrawal
                      -Conduct of war
                      -Moral argument
                           -Imposition of Communist government in South Vietnam
                           -US withdrawal

Kissinger left at 1:01 pm.


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      The President's schedule
           -Press conference
                 -Timing
                 -Format
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                -Preparation time
          -Vietnam
                -Kissinger’s concern
          -Anwar el-Sadat
          -Vietnam
                -Kissinger’s concern
                     -Negotiations
                     -Bombing of dikes, troop withdrawal
          -Format
          -Timing
                -Republican National Convention
                     -Acceptance speech
                -Momentum
          -Political questions
                -East Room
                -Compared to questions on national issues
                -California
                -McGovern
                     -Issues
                            -Vietnam
                     -Campaign
                            -Federal funds
                            -Clark MacGregor
          -Watergate
                -Investigation
                     -Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI], US Attorney’s Office

Watergate
    -Ziegler's previous press briefing
          -New York Times
                -[Forename unknown] Grumbacher's report
    -Ziegler's possible response
    -Forthcoming indictments
          -Timing
    -New York Times story
          -John W. Dean, III [?]
          -Calls from Bernard Barker to Committee to Re-Elect the President
          -Source
                -FBI, US Attoryney’s Office
                -Effect
                -Alger Hiss case
    -E. Howard Hunt
          -Forthcoming statement to grand jury
                -Publicity
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                           -Effect
                                  -Supreme Court
                                  -Dean
                      -Fifth Amendment
                -Sworn statement to attorney
                -Dean’s comment
                -Lawyer
                -Legal strategy
                      -Supreme Court
           -Popular opinion

      The President's schedule
           -Press conferences
                 -Timing and format
                       -Television
                       -East Room
                       -California
                       -Colson
                 -Filming
                       -California
                       -The President’s answers
                       -Photograph opportunity
                 -Photograph opportunity
                 -John R. (“Tex”) McCrary's views
                 -Timing and format
                       -California
                           -East Room
                           -Republican National Convention
                           -Photograph opportunity
                                   -Television
                       -Television
                           -Effect
                                   -East Room
                       -Campaign
                           -Film
                                   -Political questions
                       -Political questions
                           -Oval Office
                           -California
                                   -Republican National Convention

Ziegler left at 1:30 pm.

      The President's schedule
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          -Colson's staff
               -Cabinet Roon
               -Purpose of meeting
               -Buchanan, Kenneth L. Khachigian
               -Format of meeting

The President and Haldeman left at 1:33 pm.