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Conversation: 760-006

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Start Date: 3-Aug-1972 8:28 AM

End Date: 3-Aug-1972 8:57 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.White House operatorMarsh, John O., Jr.

Recording Device: Oval Office

760-006-xcerpt.mp3

760-006.mp3

NARA Description:

On August 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, and John O. Marsh, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:28 am to 8:57 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 760-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 760-6

Date: August 3, 1972
Time: 8:28 am - 8:57 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

             Kissinger's schedule

             Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s previous call to the President
                 -George D. Aiken amendment
                 -Edward W. Brooke amendment
                     -Senate Republicans
                     -The President’s possible actions

             Vietnam negotiations
                 -News summary
                     -Critics of the Administration
                          -Effect of 1972 election
                               -North Vietnamese
                               -The Administration
                          -Liberals in Congress
                 -Possible acknowledgement of progress in negotiations
                     -Increase of Congressional support for the Administration
                          -Aiken
                     -Implication of progress through continued negotiations
                     -Increase of Congressional support
                          -Adverse reaction from North Vietnamese
                 -Passage of Brooke amendment
                     -North Vietnamese reaction
                 -Possible acknowledgement of progress
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. Nov-03)

    -Increase of Congressional support
    -North Vietnamese reaction
-Congressional support for the Administration’s policies
    -Congressional schedule
    -The President’s previous conversation with Aiken
    -Kissinger’s previous conversation with Thomas J. McIntyre
    -Thomas C. Korologos
    -Protection of private channel for negotiations
    -The President's conversation with Congressman
    -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
    -Charles H. Percy
    -Desire of Senate for role in foreign policy
         -Marlow W. Cook
         -Ted Stevens
         -Kissinger's previous meeting with Congressional
         leaders
         -Compared to Cabinet
             -Role of the Cabinet in foreign policy
                  -Nelson A. Rockefeller as hypothetical secretary of state
                  -John B. Connally
                  -John N. Mitchell
                  -Agnew
    -Support for the President’s May 8, 1972 proposal
    -Withdrawal of US forces
    -Brooke amendment
         -North Vietnamese view
             -Exchange of prisoners of war [POWs] for withdrawal of US
             forces
-Exchange of POWs for end of bombing, mining, and withdrawal of US forces
    -Removal of Nguyen Van Thieu
    -End of US military and economic aid to South Vietnam
-Brooke amendment
    -Possible compromise by Hugh Scott
    -Possible break in negotiations
    -The President’s view
         -POWs
    -The President’s previous press conference
    -Robert J. Dole
    -Kissinger's relationships
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. Nov-03)

             -Percy
             -Mathias
                 -Agnew's view
                      -Kissinger’s previous conversation with Agnew
             -Percy
                 -Kissinger’s view

Federal government
    -Proposed reorganization after 1972 election
         -Andrew Jackson
         -Department of Defense [DOD]
         -State Department
         -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
         -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
              -Elliot L. Richardson
    -Need for loyalty

Vietnam
    -Press
        -Kissinger’s previous conversation with Robert B. Semple, Jr.
            -Article on negotiations
                -Kissinger’s trip to Paris
                -Sources for article
                      -State Department
                -Separation of military and political issues
                -Thieu

State Department
     -Marshall Green
     -Involvement in foreign policy
     -William P. Rogers
         -Involvement in negotiations during the President’s trip to the Soviet
         Union
             -Andrei A. Gromyko
             -Aleksei N. Kosygin
             -Plenary sessions
         -Vietnam negotiations
             -Kissinger’s view
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-03)

             Vietnam negotiations
                 -Chances for success
                     -Kissinger’s view
                 -Political elements of the negotiations
                 -The President's view
                     -Soviet Union
                     -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                     -Thieu
                     -South Vietnam
                           -Compared to Israel
                           -Damage to North Vietnam
                           -Chances for survival
                           -1972 election
                 -Possible collapse of South Vietnam
                     -Timing
                           -Effect on US foreign policy
                               -Collapse in several years
                               -Collapse in several months
                                    -Theiu
                                    -PRC
                                    -Domestic impact
                           -Public reaction to collapse after a year
                               -Possible settlement in October 1972
                     -Compared to Algeria
                 -North Vietnam

             The President’s possible meeting with Kissinger and Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                 -Lack of flights over North Vietnam
                     -News summary
                 -Lack of bombing of fixed targets
                     -Armed recce
                     -Surface-to-air missile [SAM] sites
                 -Timing
                     -Moorer’s schedule
                          -Forthcoming Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
                          meeting

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 8:28 am.
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-03)

             The President's schedule
                 -Telephone call from John O. Marsh, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 8:48 am.

The President talked with the White House operator at 8:48 am.

The President talked with Marsh between 8:48 am and 8:54 am.

[Conversation No. 760-6A]

[See Conversation No. 28-49; one item has been withdrawn]

[End of telephone conversation]

             Vietnam
                 -Passage of Brooke amendment
                 -Negotiations
                     -1972 election
                     -Possible breakdown of talks
                         -Congress
                     -Chances for success
                 -Kissinger's forthcoming trip to Saigon
                 -Negotiations
                     -Discussions in various forums
                         -Plenary sessions
                               -Possible standstill ceasefire
                     -North Vietnamese offer
                         -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                     -Brooke amendment
                         -Offer of POWs for withdrawal of US forces
                     -Ceasefire

Kissinger left at 8:57 am.