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Conversation: 773-003

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Start Date: 8-Sep-1972 10:28 AM

End Date: 8-Sep-1972 10:42 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Panggabean, Marader (Gen.)Bull, Stephen B.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

773-003.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Gen. Marader Panggabean, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:28 am to 10:42 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 773-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 773-3

Date: September 8, 1972
Time: 10:28 am - 10:42 am.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

             Indonesia
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Gen. Marader Panggabean
                 -Kissinger’s analysis
                     -The President’s position
                     -Importance
                     -1972 election
                     -US military aid
                 -Length of meeting with Panggabean

             James R. (“Jimmy”) Hoffa
                -Proposed trip to North Vietnam
                     -The President’s view

Panggabean, Stephen B. Bull and the White House photographer entered at 10:29 am.

             [Photograph session]

             The President’s schedule

             US-Indonesian relations
                 -Panggabean’s visit to US
                 -Reception of Panggabean and family
                 -Panggabean
                     -Legion of Merit
                 -Indonesian armed forces
                 -Southeast Asia
                 -Indonesia
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                         Tape Subject Log
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    -Thailand
    -Philippines
    -Indonesia
        -US position
        -Role in Southeast Asia
             -The President’s policy
             -Discussions after 1972 election
    -The President’s position
        -The President’s 1967 trip to Indonesia
        -Previous meetings with Lt. Gen. T.N.J. Suharto
        -Indonesia
        -Support for Indonesia and government
    -1972 election
        -Effect
        -The President’s position
    -Indonesia
        -Strength of armed forces
        -Vietnam
             -Communist goals
        -Size of territory
        -Importance
        -Australia
        -Philippines
        -The President’s view

Refreshments

US-Indonesian relations
    -Positions of individuals in US
        -Economic, social and political strength in Indonesia
             -Military strength
                  -Defense of Indonesia
                       -The President’s view
                  -Navy
                  -Armed forces
    -Military strength
        -The President’s view
    -US position
        -Economic aid
             -Investments and businessmen
        -Military strength
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        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Oct-06)

            -Defense for Indonesia
                 -US assistance
            -Effect of 1972 election
            -List of material needed
       -US Defense department
    -American bases in the Pacific
       -Indonesia
       -Japan
       -Necessity for defense

Defense of Israel
    -Lebanon
    -US naval strength
    -Egypt
    -Olympic Games

Indonesia
    -Kissinger’s analysis
        -Results of 1972 election

The President’s background
    -Birthplace
         -West Coast
    -Traveling in Pacific
         -Experience
         -Japan
         -Indonesia
         -Vietnam
         -Bangkok, Thailand
         -The President’s perception
         -The People’s Republic of China [PRC]

Indonesia
    -Knowledge and experience from trips
    -The President’s position
    -US position
        -Congress and Senate
        -Spending cuts
        -Future defense and military aid
            -1972 election
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                           Tape Subject Log
                                             (rev. Oct-06)

             Presidential gifts
                 -Presidential seal
                      -Flag
                      -Suharto
                      -Panggabean’s wife
                      -Five flags in the Oval Office
                           -Pin for Panggabean’s wife
                      -Golf ball

             Indonesia
                 -Possible future visit by the President
                 -History
                     -Dutch
                     -Japanese
                     -Communists

Panggabean and Kissinger left at 10:42 am.