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Start Date: 14-Sep-1972 9:57 AM

End Date: 14-Sep-1972 11:23 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Rockefeller, Nelson A.Bull, Stephen B.Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Morton, Rogers C. B.Whitaker, John C.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

776-008b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Stephen B. Bull, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Rogers C. B. Morton, John C. Whitaker, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:57 am to 11:23 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 776-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 776-8

Date: September 14, 1972
Time: 9:57 am - 11:23 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

             Greetings

             National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA] space shuttle contract
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Nelson A. Rockefeller
                 -Grumman Corporation
                      -Contract allotment
                 -North American Rockwell Corporation
                 -McDonnell Douglas
                 -Announcement time
                      -Rockefeller
                      -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]

             Revenue sharing
                -Rockefeller's stance
                -Status of bill in Congress
                     -Senate allocation revisions
                          -New York's share
                     -Amendment to limit social services
                          -New York's interest
                -New York politics
                     -Meeting in Florida between the President and Rockefeller
                     -Future state legislation
                          -Promise of White House aid
                -Rockefeller's schedule
                     -New York
                     -St. Louis
                     -Allocation formula on revenue sharing
                     -Possible photograph
                     -Ronald L. Ziegler

Rockefeller entered at 10:03 am.
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Oct-06)


Greetings
    -St. Louis trip
         -Christopher S. (“Kit”) Bond

Revenue sharing bill
   -Rockefeller’s role
   -Camp David
   -Conference Committee in Congress
       -Administration actions
            -Ehrlichman
       -Support
   -Proposal for meeting
       -Nation's leaders
            -Governors
            -Major city mayors
                 -John V. Lindsay
       -County officals
            -East Room
       -Signing ceremony
       -Logistics for meeting
            -Proposed dates
       -Wilbur D. Mills
            -Ways and Means Committee
       -Russell B. Long
       -Aid for bill
            -Hugh L. Carey
            -Barber B. Conable
       -Bipartisan nature of guest list
            -Number of attendees
   -Formula
       -New York
   -Amendments for bill
       -Revision of New York's share
            -Rockefeller's staff
                 -Lobbying efforts
       -Social service restriction
            -Effect on New York
            -Mills
            -Expanded ceiling
                 -Aid to big states
                 -Arkansas
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        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                       Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Oct-06)

   -White House stand on bill
   -Proposed revisions
       -Options for states
            -Long plan
            -Mills plan
            -James Cannon
                -Proposed changes
       -Growth money
            -Available budget money
       -Dual formulas
            -Industrial states
            -Rural states
       -Mills
            -Possibility of passage
       -Treasury Department
       -Conflict among states
            -Income tax
            -Distribution
            -Rockefeller’s future meeting with Ehrlichman
       -Herman T. Schneebeli
            -Pennsylvania
            -Support for revision
                -Mills
   -Ceiling on budget
       -Cannon
       -White House position
            -Effect on social programs
            -Political effect
                -Democrats' reaction
                      -Senate actions

Budget ceiling
   -New York's position

White House domestic policy
   -Benefits to New York
   -Ehrlichman's aid
       -State bankruptcy
       -Lindsay
       -Treasury Department
   -Budget
       -George P. Shultz
                                 12

        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Oct-06)


The President's Administration
    -Aid to New York state
        -Dwight D. Eisenhower
        -John F. Kennedy
        -Lyndon B. Johnson

Rockefeller governership
   -Time in office
   -1958 election
   -Fourth term
        -John A. Love
   -California
        -Demographics
   -New York City
        -Democratic support
   -Thomas E. Dewey
   -Whitman Knapp Commission
        -Criminal justice system
        -Rockefeller action
             -District attorneys
        -Administration's aid
             -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]

Law enforcement
   -Washington, D.C.
        -The President’s view
             -Tourism
        -New York City
             -Police department
                 -Lindsay
             -Egil G. ("Bud") Krogh, Jr.
   -Crime rate
        -Democrats' position
        -Ernst and Ernst Accounting firm
             -Audit
   -Washington, D.C.
        -Crime rate
             -Effect on tourists
             -Madison Hotel
   -District Attorney investigations
        -Police department
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. Oct-06)

              -Dewey
              -New York state plan
                 -Rockefeller efforts
                     -Maurice Nadtari
                          -Experience
                               -Owens [?] [first name unknown]
                               -Suffolk County
                          -Appointment
                          -Effect
                               -Police force
                               -District Attorney's office
                               -Judges
                 -Criminal justice investigation
                 -Corruption in goverment
                     -Knapp Commission
                     -White House aid
                 -Lindsay

          NASA contract
             -North American Rockwell announcement
                 -Sub-contracts
                 -Grumman
                      -Engineering
             -Logistics of announcement
                 -Congress position
                 -Timing
             -Future Rockefeller briefing
                 -Cannon
                 -Krogh
                 -Ehrlichman
             -NASA
                 -Budget
                 -McDonnell Douglas
                 -Grumman
                      -OMB recommendation
                      -Krogh
                      -New York politics
             -North American Rockwell
                 -Long Island's economic interest


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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Oct-06)


BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 15m 36s    ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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          Watergate
             -Rockefeller
                  -Television appearance
             -Upcoming indictments
             -Democratic National Committee
             -Maurice H. Stans
             -John N. Mitchell
             -Public opinion
             -1968 Nixon campaign plane
                  -J. Edgar Hoover
                       -Johnson
                  -Dirty tricks
                  -Vietnam war
             -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                  -W. Ramsey Clark
                  -Pierre Salinger
                  -George S. McGovern
             -1968 campaign
                  -FBI
                  -Johnson
                       -Telephones to state governors
                       -James B. ("Scotty") Reston
                       -Mitchell’s recent conversation with the President
                       -Reston’s meeting with Rockefeller
                            -Republican National Convention in Miami, 1968
                                -Rockefeller
                                -Ronald W. Reagan
             -Pentagon Papers
                  -National security
                  -Leaks
                       -India-Pakistan conflict
                                 15

         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Oct-06)


Administration’s plans for second term
   -The President’s call to Rockefeller
   -Dewey
        -Stewart J.O. Alsop
   -Formulation of new programs
        -Ehrlichman
        -State of Union address
        -International activities, November 1972
   -Domestic Council staff
        -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
        -State of Union address
        -Revenue sharing
        -Government reorganization
        -Environment
        -Housing
             -Need for change
        -Urban transportation
             -Use of highway funds
   -Domestic emphasis
   -Administration's international accomplishments
   -First term accomplishments
        -The President’s recent meeting with Congressional leaders
        -Reorganization of Post Office and Cabinet
        -Environmental laws
        -Revenue sharing
        -Public perception
             -International policies
   -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
   -Harry S. Truman
        -Greek-Turkish aid plan
        -George C. Marshall Plan
   -The President
        -Arms control
        -Congress
             -Initiative by the President

Domestic issues
   -Executive-legislative relations
   -New Majority
       -Legislative implications
       -New Republican majority
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Oct-06)

            -Robert J. Dole
            -Allied Democrats
            -Need for electoral mandate
    -Need for supportive Congress
        -Johnson
        -1956 election
        -Kennedy
        -1968 election
        -Effect on second term
        -Franklin D. Roosevelt's first hundred days
    -US Bicentennial celebration
        -Foundation for future

Re-organization of Federal Government
    -Eisenhower's efforts
    -Rapid changes
    -Need for changes
    -Regulatory agencies
        -Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]
             -Railroads
                  -Trucking companies, shipping yards
             -Anti-trust laws

Agriculture

US energy issues
    -Rockefeller’s view
    -The President’s view
         -Laurance S. Rockefeller
    -Nuclear fuel
         -Delays in reactor openings
         -Con-Edison Power Company
    -Oil companies
         -Lack of capital for 1980 goals
              -New York Times article
         -Oil depletion allowance
    -Natural gas
         -Lack of incentive
         -Prices
         -Robert S. Kerr-Mills bill
              -The President’s vote
    -Free enterprise system
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Oct-06)

                     -Government's role
                          -Lack of fuel
                 -Arab countries
                     -Oil resources
                     -Added revenues
                          -Use
                     -Cooperative efforts

             Role of Federal Government
                 -Restructuring of regulatory functions
                 -Reappraisal of tax structure
                      -Mills
                 -Role of states in US
                      -Possible study
                 -Congress' role
                      -Rockefeller’s view
                      -John B. Connally’s view
                      -Cannon
                 -Proposed Congressional commission
                      -Future plans
                      -Environmental issue
                 -Paper
                      -Illustrations
                      -Energy issue
                      -Housing

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:03 am.

             The President’s schedule
                 -Rogers C.B. Morton

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:01 am.

             Government reorganization
                -1972 election
                -Inaugural address, 1973

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:03 am.

             The President’s schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:01 am.
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Oct-06)


                 -New direction for youth
                 -Vietnam war
                 -Need for new governmental framework
                     -Opposing factions

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon entered at 11:01 am.

             Greetings

             Possible speech
                 -Social services

Morton and John C. Whitaker entered at 11:02 am.

[Members of the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of this
meeting.]

             Greetings

             Yellowstone National Park
                 -One hundredth anniversary

             Mrs. Nixon’s schedule
                 -Dedication of highway
                 -Yellowstone

             Rockefeller proposals
                -California

Ehrlichman and Rockefeller left at 11:02 am.


             Morton's discussion with Johnson
                -Claudia A. (Taylor) (“Lady Bird”) Johnson
                -Johnson's health

             [Photograph session]
                 -[General conversation]

             National parks centennial
                 -Morton’s press briefing
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Oct-06)

                     -Public interest
                 -Park use
                     -Monthly visitations
                     -Increase in visitors
                     -New visitors
                          -Tour of park system
                          -Yellowstone
                          -Tetons
                          -Rocky Mountains
                          -The President's visit to Grand Tetons
                          -Grand Canyon
                          -Morton's role as Secretary of the Interior
                              -Teton National Park
                                   -Snake River overlook
                                   -Child from Detroit
                 -Public land
                     -Protectiveness of nation
                          -Alaska
                     -The President's park program
                          -Effect on public

            National parks situation
                -Energy issue
                -Mrs. Nixon schedule
                     -Yellowstone trip
                         -Apparel
                              -Anne Morton
                                   -Message
                                   -Schedule
                              -Trip to the People's Republic of China [PRC]

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:02 am.

            [General conversation]
                -Dogs
                    -Vicky
                    -Dog house
                    -Gift

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 11:23 am.

            Park Service discussion
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    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. Oct-06)

-Mrs. Nixon’s role
     -President’s representative
-Domestic Conference Panel
     -Congress participation
     -White Paper study
-International aspects
     -Stockholm convention
     -Heritage trust around the world
     -Technical services
          -Offer to all nations
     -Mrs. Nixon's role
     -Americans abroad
     -Mrs. Nixon's speech before conference
          -Morton's birthday
          -Crowds
               -Western states
                    -Montana
                    -Wyoming
                    -Idaho
                    -North and South Dakota
                    -Colorado
-World Conference on Parks
-History of National Parks Service
     -Preservation of land
     -Ulysses S. Grant
          -First park bill
-Environmentalists' impact
-Universal use of park
-Charles A. Lindbergh
     -Core of untouched parks
-Wilderness areas
     -Need for facilities
     -Family attractions
     -Backpackers
-Yosemite
     -Buses
-Anne Morton's schedule
     -Campfires for backpackers
     -Flamingo Park
          -Miami
     -Tour of Mount McKinley
          -Yosemite
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        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Oct-06)

            -Youth
                 -Support for the President
    -Mrs. Nixon's schedule
        -Two-day tour
        -New Jersey
        -New York
    -Morton's schedule
        -Shakerstown, Kentucky
        -Louis B. Nunn
        -Dedication ceremony
    -National Parks
        -Effect on public
        -Future use

Park Services
    -Defeat of Wayne N. Aspinall in election
        -Redistricting
        -Aspinall’s age
        -Urbanization of West
    -Urbanization of West
        -Western ethic
        -New demographics
             -Sheep herders, ranchers
    -Gordon Allot
        -Denver
        -Greeley, Colorado
        -Floyd Haskell
    -1976 Olympic Games funding vote
        -Denver
        -Colorado
        -Aspinall
        -Administration's policy
        -Love
        -Munich games
        -Environmentalism
        -Love
    -National Land Use Policy Act
    -Organic bill for public land
        -Failure of passage

Congress
   -Age
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Oct-06)

                       -The President’s view
                  -Strom Thurmond
                  -John J. Sparkman
                       -Age
                       -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
                  -John L. McClellan
                  -Allen J. Ellender
                  -Judges
                  -Mandatory retirement bill
                       -John B. Williams
                       -Industry
                  -Supreme Court
                       -Lewis F. Powell

             Parting remarks
                  -Rockefeller story
                      -Thomas F. Eagleton
                      -Edward M. Kennedy

Mrs. Nixon et al. left at 11:23 am.