Conversation: 781-029
Prev: 781-028 Next: 781-030Start Date: 18-Sep-1972 3:15 PM
End Date: 18-Sep-1972 4:19 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Richardson, Elliot L.; Hodgson, James D.; Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap"); Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Falk, James H.; Cook, Richard K.; Korologos, Thomas C.; Ehrlichman, John D.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On September 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Elliot L. Richardson, James D. Hodgson, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., James H. Falk, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C. Korologos, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:15 pm to 4:19 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 781-029 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 781-29
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct-06)
Date: September 18, 1972
Time: 3:15 pm - 4:19 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, James D. Hodgson, Caspar W. Weinberger,
Kenneth W. Cole, James H. Falk, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C. Korologos and John D.
Ehrlichman.
[This recording began while the conversation was in progress.]
Welfare reform
-Unemployment
-Heads of household
-New York Times article by [Eileen Shanahan]
-Shanahan
-News briefing
-Contact with White House staff
-George S. McGovern
-Hobart Rowan
-McGovern
-Washington Star article by Brown [first name unknown]
-Letter
-Health care cost
-Phase II economics
-Rate of increase
An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.
-Shanahan
-Healthcare costs
-Phase II
-Rate of increase
-Medicare
-Medicaid
-Possible approaches
-Richardson’s role
-The President speech on Labor Day, 1972
-House Resolution 1 [HR]
-Russell B. Long
-Vance Hartke
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct-06)
-Title I
-Title II
-Medicare
-Medicaid
-Title III
-Disabled
-Title IV
-Welfare
-Senate bill
-Titles I, II, III
-Possible filibuster
-Amendment by William V. Roth, jr.
-Debt ceiling bill
-Titles I, II, III
-1972 election
-Titles I, II, III
-HR 1, debt ceiling bill
-Support of Title IV
-Time period
-Bringing Congress back
-Finance Committee
- HR 1
-Abraham A. Ribicoff amendment supporters
-Work relief provisions
-Public service jobs
-Heads of households
-Ribicoff amendment's supporters
-Senators' concerns
-Hugh Scott
-Present benefit levels
-HR 1
-Work incentive
-Costs
-HR 1
-Wage rates
-Food stamps
-Fiscal Year [FY] 1974
-92nd Congress
-93rd Congress
-Ways and Means Committee
-Wilbur D. Mills
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct-06)
-Tax legislation
-Trade legislation
-Health insurance
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.
Refreshments
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:19 pm.
-Recent conversation with Richardson
-Roll call vote
-Actual operation
-1975-77
-Morale
-Costs, fraud suspicion, and administration
-Administration
-Personnel increases
-Administration of welfare program
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Richard P. Nathan
-Summary of alternatives
-Waiting
-HR
-Bringing Congress back
-Compromise
-1972 election
-Revenue sharing
-Bringing Congress back
93rd Congress
-Composition after 1972 election
-Voters
-92nd Congress
-Mandates
-Control of House of Representatives
-The President’s view
-Majority reductions
-1972 election
-Change in mood of US
-Effect on Congress
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct-06)
-Presidential attention
-Composition of Senate
-The President’s view
-House of Representatives
-Competition
-Northeastern states
-Pennsylvania
-New York
-South
-1972 campaign committee
-Congressional candidates
-Mississippi
-William M. Colmer
-Alabama
-Georgia
-1964 election
-Barry M. Goldwater, Jr.
-[Howard Hollis Calloway]
-Mississippi
-James O. Eastland
-Ticket splitting
-Colmer's administrative assistant [Trent Lott]
-Loss of Congressional seats
-Retiring Congressmen
-Midwest, far west
-Poll ratios
-Accuracy
-McGovern
-George M. Gallup
-Louis P. Harris
-Sweeps
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
-Alfred M. Landon
-Calvin Coolidge in 1924
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Adlai E. Stevenson II in 1956
-Congressional elections
-Unemployment
-International policy
-Suez crisis
-Hungarian crisis
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
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-Margin of 1972 election results
-Mandate
-Health
-Welfare reform
-Government reorganization
-Opposition in Congress
-Mills
-Tax bill
-92nd Congress
Welfare reform
-Passage in Congress
-Congress
-The President’s view
-McGovern's welfare proposals
-Shifts
-Congresional adjournment
-Possible political stand
-HR 1
-Ribicoff
-Administration actions
-August 1969
-Congress previous efforts
-The President’s view
-Richardson's testimony
-Scott
-HEW
-Richardson's trip to Cleveland
-Mandate
-Reinforcing the President's leadership
-Richardson's efforts
-92nd Congress
-Foreign policy
-Veto
-Bill
-Titles I, II, III
-Title IV
-House side
-Mills
-Non-agreement
-Title II versions
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct-06)
-House side
-Medicare to disabled
-Senate side
-Prescription drugs
-Title I
-The President's proposal
-Liberalizing retirement
-Social Security
-Widows' benefits
1972 campaign
-Congress as issue
-Welfare reform, health strategy
-Tone
-Republican leadership
-1948 campaign
-Harry S. Truman
-Thomas Dewey
-Gallup polls
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.
The President’s schedule
-Theodore H. White
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:19 pm.
-Strategy
-Legislation
-Vocational rehabilitation
-Older Americans Act
-Post-1972 election session
-Shifts in House and Senate
-Retirements
-Bella S. Abzug
-Possible opposition candidates
-Democratic convention
-1970 election
-[Leonard Farbstein]
-Unknown woman
-Gloria Steinem
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-Harvard University
-[Richardson]
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Media coverage
-Possible comments to press
-HR 1
-Welfare reform
-Revenue sharing
-Welfare reform
-Congressional action
-Finance committee
-Administrative action
-The President’s view
-Congress
Richardson, et al. left at 4:19 p.m.