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Nixon, Beall & Gubser on House Resolution 10670 and Social Security benefits

Thursday, September 21, 1972 · 12:07 PM–12:11 PM ET · Oval Office · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Beall, J. Glenn, Jr.; Gubser, Charles S.; Pike, Otis G.; Nolan, Robert W.; White House photographerConversation784-016 on Tape 784StartThursday, September 21, 1972 at 12:07 PMEndThursday, September 21, 1972 at 12:11 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 784-016 ↗

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President Nixon met with Representatives J. Glenn Beall, Jr., Charles S. Gubser, and Otis G. Pike, along with Robert W. Nolan, primarily to discuss the legislative significance of House Resolution 10670. The group focused on the bill's implications for Social Security benefits and revenue sharing, specifically highlighting the importance of the President's signature on the legislation for retirees. The brief meeting also included a photography session and informal discussion regarding the political careers and election cycles of the attendees.

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How are you?
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
But also that you can have something and, oh, like, create Social Security benefits and so forth.
But here you have a piece of legislation that is enormously important.
And the money was not.
So I said, let's look at your signature.
Enhance these states that are willing to return the $5 billion.
That didn't cost anything.
That's the deal.
It's part of the system.
Yeah, we don't contribute.
How would you like to have it accepted?
I would like to have it accepted.
I was read, perhaps in front of the service, by Mr. Kressel, on the seventh year.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
I've got to show you one newspaper that was sent to me.
The Lost Gas Times in 1950.
There's a couple of politicians.
I got elected the first time.
You were the second.
You were the seventh.
You felt it too.
I don't know about that.
And he's also gone a little further, John.
I mean, two years.
No, I haven't been elected to the legislature this year.
Well, come on.
I never was elected to the legislature.
I just started at a different place.
His problem, I mean, he was so bad at excess weight.
No.
You're right.
Well, I'm going to kick it out of here.
Well, thank you, Mr. Taylor.
Thank you.
Good.
All right.
Great.
Thank you.
All right.
Please.
Okay.
Good.
Well, I'm just going to say it.
Thank you again.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good to see you.
How are you feeling?
Just fine.
Aren't you back from that run?
Yeah, pal.
Oh, this wouldn't be a bad year to run.
No, I just realized.
Remember, 70 was running.
Oh, this would be a good year to run.
That's right.
I said to my wife, I don't know how to act.
That's right.
Well, you've got a lot in 70.
76 you've got.
How are you doing?
Thanks.
Thanks to you.

NARA Description

On September 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, J. Glenn Beall, Jr., Charles S. Gubser, Otis G. Pike, Robert W. Nolan, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 784-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 784-16

Date: September 21, 1972
Time: 12:07 pm - 12:11 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with J. Glenn Beall, Jr., Charles S. Gubser, Otis G. Pike, and Robert W.
Nolan; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

             Greetings

             Photograph session

             Revenue sharing

             Social Security benefits

             House Resolution [HR] 10670

                   -Importance
                       -The President’s signature
                           -Effect on retirees estates

              Photograph session
                  -Arrangements

              HR 10670
                 -Origins
                     -Nolan’s writing
                     -Gubser’s introduction
                     -Timing

              Photograph

              Newspaper clipping sent to Gubser
                 -[unknown] Times
                     -1950
                          -Earl Warren

              News summary
                 -Democrats

              Election of Beall
                  -Reelection
                       -1970 election
                       -Beall’s conversation with Nancy Lee (Smith) Beall
                       -1976 election

Beall et al. left at 12:11 pm.

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Conversation 784-016, September 21, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/784-016 (accessed October 27, 2026).