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Start Date: 29-Sep-1972 9:45 AM

End Date: 29-Sep-1972 10:45 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.Schumann, MauriceKosciusko-Morizet, JacquesWhite House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

788-001.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Maurice Schumann, Jacques Kosciusko-Morizet, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:45 am to 10:45 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 788-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 788-1

Date: September 29, 1972
Time: 9:45 am - 10:45 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.


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            Watergate
               -Washington Post report
                    -Possible sources
                    -John N. Mitchell
                    -Bernard L. Barker
                    -Possible sources
                        -Methods
               -John P. Roche column
                    -Barry M. Goldwater
                        -Speech
               -The President's campaign airplane in 1968
                    -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                    -Lyndon B. Johnson


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                                                2
                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Nov-03)

[Duration: 1m 4s      ]


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             Vietnam
                 -The President’s meeting with Henry A. Kissinger and
                  Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                 -Post-election efforts to bring war to a conclusion
                     -Implications
                          -The President’s view
                               -Kissinger
                               -Escalation
                     -International repercussions
                          -Possible escalation
                          -Haldeman’s view
                          -The President’s view
                          -The People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                          -Soviet Union
                          -Effects on relations with other countries
                     -Nguyen Van Thieu
                          -Possible settlement

Kissinger and Stephen B. Bull entered at 10:00 am.

             The President’s schedule
                 -Maurice Schumann

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

             Vietnam
                  -Possible settlement
                          -Thieu
                               -Haig
                    -Post-election plans
                    -End the war strategy
                    -1972 Presidential election importance
                        -Effect of options on elections
                          -The President’s view
                                              3
                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Nov-03)

                               -George S. McGovern stand
                     -World position of the US
                     -Statement of principles
                          -Implication for election
                            -Kissinger’s view
                          -Prisoners of War [POW] release
                          -Cease-fire
                          -Coalition government
                            -Continuation of Government of Vietnam [GVN]
                          -Thieu
                               -Resignation
                          -Commission of National Reconciliation
                          -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
                          -Thieu’s possible action
                               -Effect on Asian governments
                                -Philippines
                                   -Indonesia
                     -Consequence of agreement
                     -Resignation of Thieu
                          -Technical issues
                          -Cease-fire
                          -American disengagement
                          -Return of POWs
                          -Thieu
                            -North Vietnamese

Haldeman left at 10:04 am.


             The President’s schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Schumann
                     -Jacques Kosciusko-Morizet
                          -Georges J.R. Pompidou
                          -US-French relations
                               -Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]

The President left at 10:05 am.

The President entered at 10:05 am.

             1972 Presidential election
                 -The President’s meeting with Kissinger and Haig on Vietnam
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Nov-03)

                -POWs
                   -McGovern
                   -Uniforms
                   -Edward K. Elins

Maurice Schumann, Kosciusko-Morizet, Bull, the White House photographer and members of
the press entered at 10:06 am.

            Greetings
                -The President’s schedule
                    -California trip
                        -Bill signing

            [Photograph session]

                -Seating arrangements

The White House photographer and members of the press left at an unknown time before 10:45
am.

            Oval Office
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -Effect of décor on television filming

            US-French relations
               -The President’s view
               -Pompidou
               -Kissinger’s talks with North Vietnamese in Paris
                   -French government
               -Direction of relationship
                   -Channel of communication
               -Possible meeting with Pompidou
                   -Timing
                   -The President’s previous meeting
                        -Azores
                             -Monetary discussion

            The President’s schedule
            -Previous trip to Peking
            -Previous trip to Moscow
            -1972 campaign trips
            -Focus on Europe in 1973
                                  5
         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. Nov-03)

    -Kissinger
    -Atlantic community

US-foreign policy
    -US-Soviet Union talks
        -Effect on US-European relationship
        -Soviet Union
        -PRC

French policy
    -Mao Tse-Tung
    -Lin Piao
        -Views on relationship with West
    -French-North Vietnamese relations
        -Communications
             -US-North Vietnamese talks

US foreign policy
    -The President’s previous trip to California
    -The President’s briefing by Kissinger
        -[Sequoia]

Paris Peace Talks and Vietnam War
    -Soviet Union
    -Status of North Vietnamese forces
         -Laos
         -Cambodia
         -South Vietnam
    -Political issues
         -North Vietnam
         -Thieu
              -Guarantees
         -Haig’s forthcoming trip to Saigon
              -Ellsworth F. Bunker
              -Thieu
    -Kissinger’s schedule
         -Next meeting with North Vietnamese
              -French cooperation
              -Importance
    -North Vietnamese
         -Kissinger’s view
         -Political decisions
                           6
    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                   Tape Subject Log
                     (rev. Nov-03)

    -Nature of negotiations
         -US approach to negotiations
         -North Vietnamese approach to negotiations
    -Thieu’s position
    -Forthcoming US Presidential election
         -US negotiating position
         -North Vietnam
         -War as an issue
         -Settlement
         -Transition after the election
              -The President’s schedule
                  -Cabinet
                  -Government changes
                  -State of the Union address
                  -Budget
    -Interests
-Nature
-Provisions of agreement
-Policy considerations
    -US entry in Vietnam
         -1954 Geneva Accords
    -Hanoi, Peking
-Importance of details
    -Kissinger’s view
-Thieu’s role
    -North Vietnam
-Kissinger’s schedule
    -Paris Peace Talks
    -1972 Presidential election
         -Possible speech in San Francisco
              -The President’s previous conversation with
               David Packard
-US-North Vietnamese interests
-North Vietnam
    -Need for an advisor
    -Soviet Union’s role
    -Chou En-Lai
    -Soviet Union
         -Schumann’s previous conversations with Andrei A. Gromyko
-French impression
    -North Vietnamese desire for settlement
    -Possible bombing halt
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        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Nov-03)

            -1968
    -US policy
        -Possible bombing halt
            -The President’s view
                 -Compared to bombing halt of 1968
        -Reactions
        -Progress in negotiations
            -The President’s policy
            -Total agreement
                 -Public announcement
            -Next meeting
            -Traffic lawyer analogy

US-French monetary policy
   -US-French relations
       -Pompidou
            -Meeting with the President
                 -Monetary Policies
                     -Valery Giscard D’Estaing
                     -The President’s view
   -George P. Shultz
   -Previous meetings in Azores
       -The President’s previous statement
       -Pompidou
       -Total convertibility
       -Floating currency
            -US policy
   -Shultz
       -The President’s view
       -Post-election schedule
            -Possible meeting with Giscard D’Estaing
   -The President’s view
       -French
       -British
       -Germans
       -Italians
   -Differences on issues
   -Importance of understanding
       -Shultz
       -Germany
       -Great Britain
       -Japan
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Nov-03)

        -US policy
        -France
             -Azores
    -Possible meeting with Pompidou
    -Shultz
        -Giscard D'Estaing
        -Pompidou’s position
    -Schumann’s view

Koscinski-Morizet’s schedule
   -Shultz
        -Monetary policy speech
   -Meeting with Peter Flanagan
   -Peter G. Peterson
   -Giscard D'Estaing

Paris Peace Talks and Vietnam
    -Possible briefing by Kissinger
         -Timing
         -Negotiating assistance
              -France
              -PRC
    -Settlement
         -North Vietnamese negotiating techniques
              -Soviet Union
              -PRC
              -Kissinger’s view
                  -Effect on negotiations
    -Position of the North Vietnamese
         -Possible settlement
              -Timing
                  -The President’s view
                       -1972 Presidential election
         -Allies
    -Election importance
         -The president’s view
              -Bombing halt in 1968
                  -Hubert H. Humphrey
    -The President’s policies for second term
         -Relationships with other countries
              -PRC
              -Soviet Union
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Nov-03)

                           -Rest of the world
                           -Focus
                      -Importance of Vietnam
                           -Indonesia
                           -Thailand
                           -Effect of war on foreign policy
                               -Effect of the President’s policies in first term
                                     -Previous trip to PRC
                                     -Previous trip to Soviet Union
                           -The President’s view
                               -US policies
                      -Europe
                      -Soviet union
                      -PRC
                      -Settlement
                           -The President’s view
                           -Kissinger’s view

             Presentation of Presidential gifts
                 -Cuff links


Schumann, et al. left at 10:45 am.