Conversation: 792-001
Prev: 791-015 Next: 792-002Start Date: 5-Oct-1972 11:05 AM
End Date: 5-Oct-1972 12:10 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Cormier, Frank; Shaw, Gaylord; Risher, Eugene V.; Kempster, Norman; Harris, Ralph; Heffernan, John W. ("Pat"); Hutten, Marc; Moisy, Claude; Carlson, Gene; Jarriel, Thomas E.; Pierpoint, Robert; Breasted, David; Axelson, Gary; Boyd, Forrest; Evans, Clifford; Maus, Mike; Wells, Fay G.; Fulsom, Donald; Butler, Gil; Van Dyke, Charles; Girard, Thomas; Potter, Phil; Kumpa, Peter; Micciche, Sal; Warren, Lucian C.; Lisagor, Peter; Littlewood, Tom; Farrar, Fred; Sheldon, Courtney; terHorst, Jerald F. ("Jerry"); Elliott, Karen; McClendon, Sarah; Cauley, John; Toth, Bob; Linden, Frank van der; Healy, Paul; Carter, Stan; Semple, Robert B., Jr.; Schram, Martin; Deakin, Jim; O'Rourke, Larry; Kilpatrick, Carroll; Horner, Garnett D. ("Jack"); Gannon, Jim; McGrory, Mary; Carey, Jim; Barnett, David; Boyd, Robert; Bacon, Donald; Agnew, Bruce; Sidey, Hugh S.; Schecter, Jerrold L.; Norton, Howard; Sutherland, John P. ("Jack"); Sullivan, Al; Sprague, Bill; McCartney, Roy; de Segonzac, Dave; Bonavita, Fred; Kane, Frank; O'Brien, Ed; Wakamatsu, Kenji; Noguchi, Akira; Kondo, Hiroshi; Hong, Jin Tae; Matsumura, Tatsuro; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Buchanan, Patrick J.; [Unknown person(s)]; MacGregor, Clark; Bull, Stephen B.; Scali, John A.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Colson, Charles W.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On October 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, reporters, and news conferences attendees, including Frank Cormier, Gaylord Shaw, Eugene V. Risher, Norm Kempster, Ralph Harris, John W. ("Pat") Heffernan, Marc Hutten, Claude Moisy, Gene Carlson, Thomas E. Jarriel, Robert Pierpoint, David Breasted, Gary Axelson, Forrest Boyd, Mike Maus, Cliff Evans, Fay G. Wells, Donald Fulsom, Gil Butler, Charles Van Dyke, Thomas Girard, Peter Kumpa, Phil P. Potter, Sal Micciche, Lucian C.("Lou") Warren, Peter Lisagor, Tom Littlewood, Fred Farrar, Courtney Sheldon, Karen Elliott, Jerald F. ("Jerry") terHorst, Sarah McClendon, John Cauley, Bob Toth, Frank Wright, Frank van der Linden, Paul Healy, Stan Carter, Robert B. Semple, Jr., Martin Schram, Larry O'Rourke, Jim Deakin, Jim Gannon, Carroll Kilpatrick, Garnett D. ("Jack") Horner, Mary McGrory, Jim Carey, David Barnett, Robert Boyd, Donald Bacon, Bruce Agnew, Hugh S. Sidey, Henry Hubbard, John F. Osborne, Jerrold L. Schecter, Howard Norton, John P. ("Jack") Sutherland, Al Sullivan, Bill Sprague, Roy McCartney, Dave de-Segonzac, Fred Bonavita, Frank Kane, Ed O'Brien, Kenji Wakamatsu, Akira Noguchi, Hiroshi Kondo, Jin Tae Hong, Tatsuro Matsumura, H.R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler and Patrick J. Buchanan, unknown person(s) [an unknown woman], Clark MacGregor, Stephen B. Bull, John A. Scali, John D. Ehrlichman, and Charles W. Colson, met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:05 am to 12:10 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 792-001 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 792-1
Date: October 5, 1972
Time: 11:05 a.m.-12:10 p.m.
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Frank Cormier, Gaylord Shaw, Eugene V. Risher, Norm Kempster,
Ralph Harris, Pat Heggernan, Marc Hutten, Claude Moisy, Gene Carlson, Thomas E. Jarriel,
Robert Pierpoint, Dave Breasted, Gary Axelson, Forrest Boyd, Mike Maus, Cliff Evans, Fay G.
Wells, Donald Fulsom, Gil Butler, Charles Van Dyke, Thomas Girard, Peter Kumpa, Phil P.
Potter, Sal Micciche, Lucian C.(“Lou”) Warren, Peter Lisagor, Tom Littlewood, Fred Farrar,
Courtney Sheldon, Karen Elliott, Jerald F. (“Jerry”) terHorst, Sarah McClendon, John Cauley,
Bob Toth, Frank Wright, Frank van der Linden, Paul Healy, Stan Carter, Robert B. Semple,Jr.,
Martin Schram, Larry O'Rourke, Jim Deakin, Jim Gannon, Carroll Kilpatrick, Garnett D.
(“Jack”) Horner, Mary McGrory, Jim Carey, David Barnett, Robert Boyd, Donald Bacon, Bruce
Agnew, Hugh S. Sidey, Henry Hubbard, John F. Osborne, Jerrold L. Schecter, Howard Norton,
John P. (“Jack”) Sutherland, Al Sullivan, Bill Sprague, Roy McCartney, Dave de-Segonzac, Fred
Bonavita, Frank Kane, Ed O'Brien, Kenji Wakamatsu, Akira Noguchi, Hiroshi Kondo, Jin Tae
Hong, Tatsuro Matsumura, H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler and Patrick J. Buchanan.
[This press conference of the following conversation may be found in Public Papers of the
President, 1972, pp. 952-962]
1972 campaign
-Corruption charges
-Response
-The President’s partisan advisors
-Member of Congress [Jerome Waldie]
-Democratic party
-Press
-George McGovern
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Motives
Vietnam
-Negotiated settlement
-Timing
-1972 election
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-South Vietnam
-North Vietnamese
-South Vietnam
-Communist government
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Cease-fire
-Bombing halt
-1968
-Negotiations
-Status
-Possible election of Democratic president
-1968 election
-Bombing halt
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Hanoi
-Polls
-South Vietnam
-Communist government
-Bombing purpose
-Lisagor
-Mining
-San Clemente
-South Vietnam
-Predictions
-Time
-Newsweek
-New York Times
-Washington Post
-Network commentators
-The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
-Communist takeover
-Critics
-Mining
-US-Soviet Union summit
-View
-Credence
-Mining
-South Vietnam
-Provincial capitals
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
US-Soviet Union grain deal
-Allegations
-Earl L. Butz
-House Committee on Agriculture
-Big Six grain dealers
-Wheat growers
-Southwest
-[Federal Bureau of Investigation] [FBI]
-The President’s recent conversation with Andrei A. Gromyko
-Capitalists
-Benefits to US
-Farm payments
-Costs
-Benefits
-Farmers
-Farm income
-Jobs
-American merchant marine
-Farming and processing
-Tax payers
-Storage costs
-People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Japanese
-Balance of trade
-Balance of payments
-Terms
-Peter G. Peterson
-Butz
-Inside information
-Role of aide [Clarence D. Palmby] in negotiations
-Butz
-July 8, 1972, announcement
-San Clemente
-US-Soviet Union trade agreement
-Economic negotiations
-Compared to arms control negotiations
-Palmby’s trip to the Soviet Union
Property tax relief
-John D. Ehrlichman statement
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Federal Government
-Payment to states
-Tax increase
-Priorities
-The President’s meeting with Robert E. Merriam
-Advisory Committee on Intergovernmental Relations
[ACIR]
-Retired people
-Tax burden
-George P. Shultz
-Congress
-Reducing tax burden
-Elderly
Watergate
-[FBI]
-Investigation
-Alger Hiss case
-Comparisons
-Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
-Grand Jury
-Indictments
-Statements on legal cases
-Charles Manson case
-Denver
-California
Campaigning
-Warren
-Avoiding tax increase
-Congress
-The President’s previous statements in San Clemente
and San Francisco
-Adjournment
-Spending
-Tax increase for 1973
-Budget ceiling
-Bills
-Budget
-Tax income
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Possible vetoes
-Democrats
-Budget
-Vetoes
-Limits on the President’s travels
1972 election predictions
-1968 election
-Electoral votes
-Goal
-Polls
-Voter turnout
-Pollsters
-Margin of vote
-1964
-George H. Gallup
-Barry M. Goldwater
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Polls
-Reliability
-Popular and electoral vote
-New American majority
-Republicans, Democrats and Independants
Presidential availability
-Press conferences
-Presentation of positions
-Taxes
-Tax increase
-Ehrlichman
-Shultz
-Camp David
-Radio speech by the President, October 7, 1972
-Press coverage
-Press conferences
-Press role
-Potter
-Preparation for press conference
-The President’s previous conversation on airplane
-DC-3
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Speech writing
-John Foster Dulles
Welfare reform
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Minimum income assistance for poor
-Second term
-Senate
-William V. Roth, Jr.
-Work requirement
-Working poor
-Budget
-Welfare rolls
-Work requirement
-Senate and House of Representatives
Busing
-Senate bill
-Constitutional amendment
-Issues
-Amnesty
-Tax increases
-Defense cuts
-Soviet Union
-Domestic proposals
-The President’s 1972 State of the Union Address
-Sample
-Health
-Government reorganization
-Welfare reform
-Congress's response
-Northern cities
-Southern cities
-Possible legislation
-Compared to Constitutional amendment
-Legislative process
[End of Public Papers 1972, pp. 952-962]
[General conversation]
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Tape Subject Log
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-Unknown book
The President's clothing
-Tie
-Manolo Sanchez
-Blue tie
-[Stet] Goodman
-Design
Newsday
Everyone except Haldeman left at 11:42 am.
-Frequency
Press conferences
-John A. Scali’s view
-Preparation
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Charles W. Colson
-Memorandum
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Scali
-Busing
An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 11:42 am.
The President's schedule
-Scali
-Colson
Suit
-Cost
The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 11:47 am.
Press conference
-Critique
-The President’s style
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Oval Office
-Television [TV]
-Equal time
The President's schedule
-Forthcoming Radio Address on Federal Spending
-Timing
-Radio, TV
An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 11:42 am.
The President’s schedule
-Ziegler
The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 11:47 am.
Camp David
Clark MacGregor entered at 11:47 am.
The President’s recent press conference
-Radio
-Purchase of airtime
-Rebroadcast
-Polls
-New majority
-Goldwater
-Issues
-Amnesty, spending increases, defense cuts, domestic proposals
-Sample
-MacGregor’s view
-Welfare
-Press release
-Single standard
-Radio tape
-Possible office press conference
-Timing
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:47 am.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Colson
-Ehrlichman
Bull left at an unknown time before 11:50 am.
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Seattle
-Pacific Northwest
The President’s recent press conference
-Tax increase
-Ehrlichman
-Scali’s view
-MacGregor’s recent conversation with Colson and Ehrlichman
-Distribution of text of the President’s remarks
-Purchase of radio time
Scali entered at 11:50 am.
-Questions
-Audibility
Press conferences
-Press relations
-San Clemente
-Office
-TV
-Equal time
-Networks
-Office
-Press relations
-Scali’s view
-McGovern
-Press
Ehrlichman and Ziegler entered at 11:52 am.
Ehrlichman's schedule
-Seattle
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Synthetic natural gas
-Administration position
-Timing
-1972 election
-Oil producers
-John B. Connally
-Upcoming call from Ehrlichman
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Fund raising dinner
-George Jessel
The President’s recent press conference
-Possible office press conference
-Radio coverage
Colson entered at 11:53 am.
-Tone
-CRP
-Purchase of political time
-Radio
-Frequency of press conferences
-McGovern
-Press conference as platform for presentation of issues
-Presidential posture
-Questions
-Foreign policy
-McGrory
-Proposed question
-Ehrlichman
-Adjournment of Congress
-Timing of another press conference
-Democrats
-Waldie
-Washington Post
-Agnew
-United Press International [UPI]
-McGovern
-Charges of corruption
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Vietnam
-Nazis
-Jews
-Tax increase 1973
-Congressional overspending
-Vietnam settlement
-Negotiations
-Status
-Timing
-1972 election
-Bombing halt
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Gromyko
Press conference
-Timing
-McGregor’s view
-Scali’s view
-Colson’s view
-Zieglers’s view
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Potter
-The President's schedule
-Atlanta
-New York
-Oval Office compared with East Room
-Size
-Equal time
-[McGovern]
TV Guide
-Joyce Brothers
-Agnew
-Relationship
-TV show
-Article on press conferences
-Question
-Length
Press conference
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Questions
-Networks
-Wire services
-Lisagor
-McClendon
-White House press corps
-Ziegler
-East Room
-Foreign policy
-[Watergate]
-Radio coverage
-McClendon
-Single standard
-Manson
-McClendon question on Watergate
-Tone
-Answer
-Answer McGovern's charge of corruption
-Answer
-Comparisons to Adolph Hitler
-PRC
-Soviet Union
-The President’s partisan advisors
-Mexican children
Welfare
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
-HR 1
-Russell B. Long
-Possible filibuster
-Work requirements
-Welfare rolls
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Coverage of speech
The President's schedule
Watergate
-Wiretaps
-Listening
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(rev. Nov-03)
-Accusation
-MacGregor, William E. Timmons
-Anecdote
-Bob
-FBI
-Red Squad, San Francisco
Haldeman, Scali, Ziegler, and Colson left at 12:09 pm.
-Tapes monitoring of unknown woman
-House Un-American Activities Committee
MacGregor left at 12:09 pm.
Synthetic natural gas
-Administration position
-Timing
-Peter G. Peterson
-1972 election
The President’s recent press conference
-Press relations
-Single standard
-Manson
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Effectiveness
-Rebroadcast
Ehrlichman left at 12:10 pm.