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Start Date: 16-Oct-1972 5:03 PM
End Date: 16-Oct-1972 5:26 PM
Participants:Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.; Hearst, William R.; White House operator; [Unknown person(s)]; Galvin, Robert W.; Hayden, Martin S.;
Recording Device: Oval Office
On October 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., William R. Hearst, White House operator, unknown person(s), Robert W. Galvin, and Martin S. Hayden met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:03 pm to 5:26 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 800-002 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 800-2 Date: October 16, 1972 Time: 5:03 pm - 5:26 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. Vietnam negotiations -Henry A. Kissinger -Possible proposals -The President’s proposal -Nguyen Van Thieu -Possible meeting with the President -Midway Island -Possible interpretation The President talked with William R. Hearst between 5:04 pm and 5:08 pm. [Conversation No. 800-2A] [See Conversation No. 31-75] [End of telephone conversation] Vietnam negotiations -Thieu 2 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov-03) -Possible meeting with the President -1972 election -San Clemente -Western White House The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 5:08 pm and 5:14 pm. [Conversation No. 800-2B] [See Conversation No. 31-76] The President conferred with Haig. Vietnam negotiations -Thieu [End of conferral] [End of telephone conversation] Vietnam negotiations -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr. -Haig’s view. -Role with Thieu -Kissinger compared to Abrams -Thieu -Kissinger -The President’s letter to Abrams -Haig’s previous conversation with Abrams -South Vietnam -US support -Limitations -Riots aboard US naval vessels An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time between 5:08 pm and 5:14 pm. Refreshment Vietnam negotiations -Navy and Air Force -Length of deployments 3 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov-03) -Timing of possible settlement announcement -Haig’s view -Kissinger’s schedule -Meetings with Thieu -Thieu’s possible modification of the agreement -Return to Washington Possible additional negotiations in Paris -1972 election -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman -Possible collapse of settlement -Thieu's possible reaction to proposal -Haig’s view -South Vietnamese bureaucracy -Possible modifications of the agreement -North Vietnamese reaction -Possible settlement -Political aspects compared to security aspects -The President’s view -Viability of South Vietnam The President talked with Robert W. Galvin between 5:14 pm and 5:16 pm. [Conversation No. 800-2C] [See Conversation No. 31-77; one item has been withdrawn] [End of telephone conversation] Vietnam negotiations -Possible settlement -Thieu -Prisoners of war [POWs] wives The President talked with Martin S. Hayden between 5:16 pm and 5:21 pm. [Conversation No. 800-2D] [See Conversation No. 31-78] [End of telephone conversation] Vietnam negotiations 4 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov-03) -Possible settlement -Thieu -Possible meeting with the President -Kissinger -Haig’s view -Thieu’s enthusiastic support of the settlement -The President’s possible meeting with Thieu -Need for Thieu’s support of the settlement -Possible collapse of settlement -1972 election -Subsequent settlement -Possible ultimatum to Thieu -The President's May 8, 1972 decision -Bombing and mining -Effect on North Vietnamese -POW wives -The President's recent meeting with the National League of Families of American Prisoners and Missing in Southeast Asia -The President’s pledge not to abandon the POW’s -The President’s pledge to prevent imposition of communist government on South Vietnam -Betrayal of allies -POW’s, missing in action [MIA’s] -The President’s pledge not to rely on goodwill of North Vietnamese to release POW’s -George S. McGovern -Abrams -Role as advocate -The President’s previous meeting with Abrams -Haig’s view -Haig’s forthcoming meeting with Abrams -Abrams’s key role in the settlement -Kissinger -Ellsworth F. Bunker -Forthcoming meetings with Thieu -Thieu’s possible acceptance of settlement -The President as an ally of Thieu -Thieu’s possible rejection of settlement The President’s loss of confidence in Thieu Haig left at 5:26 pm. 5 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov-03)