Conversation No. 801-16

Date: October 17, 1972
Time: 11:26 am - 12:10 pm
Location: Oval Office


The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

        Airplane crash
            - [Thomas] Hale Boggs
                 -Status as missing
                      -Conditions in Alaska
                          -Example of another airplane crash
            -Release of information
                 -Possible White House control

The President talked with Julie Nixon Eisenhower between 11:30 am and 11:32 am.

[Conversation No. 801-16A]

[See Conversation No. 31-102; one item has been withdrawn]

[End of telephone conversation]

        Boggs's airplane crash

The President talked with the White House operator at 11:33 am.

[Conversation No. 801-16B]

[See Conversation No. 31-103]

[End of telephone conversation]
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        Congress
           -William J. Fulbright
                -The President's previous conversation with Frank E. Fitzsimmons

The President talked with Corrine (Claiborne) (“Lindy”) Boggs between 11:33 am and 11:34 am.

[Conversation No. 801-16C]

[See Conversation No. 31-104]

[End of telephone conversation]

        Congress
           -Possible rejection of the Administration’s spending limit by Senate
                -Public relations efforts by the Administration
                    -Ronald L. Ziegler
                         -Possible statement
                              -Result in higher taxes
                              -Use of term “AWOL” to describe Congress
           -Water bill
                -The President’s forthcoming veto
                    -House of Representatives schedule
                         -Quorum
                         -William E. Timmons
                              -Senate
                                   -Possible override

        The President’s possible radio address
            -Tax reform
                -William L. Safire’s view


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Issues
    -Tax reform
        -Safire’s view
             -Polling results
        -The President’s forthcoming press conference
             -Chicago
             -Proposed legislation
                  -Property tax relief
                  -Timing
                      -Effect of 1972 election
    -Possible Vietnam War settlement
        -Henry A. Kissinger
             -Effect on 1972 election
                  -Benefits of possible stalemate
    -Polling results
        -Number of undecided voters
    -Tax reform
        -The President’s possible radio address
             -George P. Shultz
    -Parochial school aid
        -Charles W. Colson
        -Possible letter from the President
        -Court case in Pennsylvania
             -Comparison to Lemon v. Kurtzman
             -Solicitor General [Erwin N. Griswold]
             -Possible letter from the President
                  -Frank L. Rizzo
                  -Cardinal Terence Cooke
                      -New York
                      -Peter M. Flanigan
                            -Colson
                            -The President’s previous meeting with Cooke and Catholic
                            lawyers
    -Tax reform
        -Lawyer for parochial schools
    -Radio speeches
        -Paternalism [Philosophy of Government]
        -Veterans
        -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
        -Urban affairs
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                      -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
                 -Price
                      -Lee W. Huebner
                      -“American Spirit”
                      -Farmers

        Legislation
            -Social Security
                 -Costs
                     -Payroll taxes
                 -Arthur S. Flemming
                 -Colson
                 -Flemming
                 -Concerns of senior citizens
                 -Possible pocket veto
            -Indian lands bill
                 -Wendell Wyatt
                     -State chairman of Oregon

Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:34 am.

        Gale E. Sayers
            -Robert J. Brown
            -Support for the President
            -Forthcoming meeting with the President
            -National Advisory Council for Drug Abuse Prevention meeting

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:54 am.

        Indian lands bill
            -Wyatt’s view
                 -Oregon
            -Cost of bill
            -Editorial page reactions in Oregon
            -Possible signing ceremony
                 -Wyatt
                 -Mark O. Hatfield
                 -Wayne L. Morse
                 -Robert W. Packwood
                     -Labor legislation
                 -John R. Dellenback
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        Legislation
            -Vetoes
                 -Spending issue
                     -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] analysis
                     -Water bill
                     -Departments of Labor and Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
                      appropriations bill
                     -Social Security bill

Brown, Sayers and Paul R. Jones entered at 11:54 am; the White House photographer was
present at the beginning of the meeting.

        Introductions
             -Domestic council

Ehrlichman left at 11:55 am.

        [Photograph session]
            -Oval Office
                -Flags of branches of military services

        Oval Office
           -Painting
                -Architecture
                -Potomac River
           -Design by Theodore Roosevelt
           -Presidential seal
                -Rug
                    -Puerto Rico
           -Dwarf tree
                -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

        Sayers
            -Work with youth
            -Television [TV]
            -Youth
                -Need for role models

        Minority business programs
           -The Administration’s efforts
                -Automobile dealerships
                     -Edward Davis
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                  -Detroit
             -Increase in black-owned dealerships

Presentation of gift by the President
    -Cuff links
    -Golf balls

Sayers
    -Background
        -Kansas
        -Omaha, Nebraska
        -Chicago Bears
    -Effect on youth

Blacks
    -Support for the President
    -Efforts of the Administration
        -Economic opportunities for blacks
             -Black ownership of businesses
                  -Automobile dealerships
                  -Food vendors
                      -Example of the President’s father’s [Frank Nixon’s] career as a
                         grocer
                  -Example of Harlem
                      -Preponderance of Jewish-owned businesses
                  -Leon H. Sullivan
                      -Shopping centers
    -Sayers's prospects to help blacks
        -Day care center
             -Chicago
                  -Number of people on welfare
                  -House Resolution [HR] 1

Football
    -The President’s viewing of October 16, 1972 football game
    -The President's efforts at Whittier College
    -Washington Redskins
         -George Preston Marshall
             -Composition of team
                 -Whites, blacks
                 -Jim Brown
                      -The President’s previous conversation with Marshall
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    -The President’s viewing of Detroit Lions–Green Bay Packers game, October 16,
    1972
        -Composition of teams
            -Detroit Lions
                 -Steve Owens
                      -Heisman trophy winner
                 -Altie Taylor
                 -Mel Farr
                      -Green Bay Packers
                          -John Brockington
                          -MacArthur Lane
                      -Examples for minorities
                      -Opportunity to field best possible team through racial diversity

Baseball
    -World Series
    -Emphasis on players’ abilities rather than player’s race

Race relations
    -Possible conflict between blacks and whites
         -Irish
         -Italians
    -Blacks
         -Need for upward mobility
         -Care for the poor
              -Food stamps
         -Need for upward mobility
              -Politics
              -Business
              -Law
              -Athletics

Athletes
    -Support for the Administration
    -Cleveland Browns
    -Work with youth
    -Post-1972 election plans
    -Sayers’s view
         -Support for the President
             -Sammy Davis, Jr.
         -The President's speech in Atlanta, October 12, 1972
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         Presentation of gifts
             -Sayers’s children
                  -Tie clasps
                  -Charm
             -Golf ball

         Sayers's retirement from professional football
             -Knee injury
             -Sayers’s activities
             -Retirees from professional football
                  -The President’s instructions to Robert Brown
                        -Possible study
                  -Pensions
                        -Sayers’s discussions with Alvin Ray (“Pete”) Rozelle
             -Washington Redskins

         Washington Redskins

Sayers et al. left at 12:10 pm.