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Conversation: 803-013

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Start Date: 18-Oct-1972 12:09 PM

End Date: 18-Oct-1972 1:27 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Butterfield, Alexander P.Bull, Stephen B.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Oval Office

803-013a.mp3

803-013b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:09 pm and 1:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 803-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 803-13

Date: October 18, 1972
Time: Unknown between 12:09 pm and 1:27 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.

        The President’s schedule
            -Meeting with surrogates
                -Helen D. Bentley, Mary T. Brooks
                     -Recent meeting
                          -Stephen B. Bull
                          -Roosevelt Room

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:09 pm.

        The President's schedule
            -Recent meeting with women surrogates
            -Report from women surrogates

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:15 pm.

        President’s schedule
            -New York
            -Meeting with Bob Lilly, Dallas Cowboys
                 -Meeting with athletes
                      -1972 election
            -Meeting with maritime labor leaders
                 -Cabinet Room
                 -Maritime agreement
                      -Charles W. Colson
            -Signing of convention on narcotic drugs
                 -Ceremony
                      -Lobbying
                      -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-03)

                      -Photographic sessions
             -Meeting with Port Authority officials
                 -East Coast, Gulf of Mexico, Great Lakes
                 -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
             -Meeting with businessmen
             -Ethnic editors and publishers

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:15 pm.

         The President's schedule
             -Meetings with ethnic editors and publishers
                 -Recommendation by Michael P. Balzano, Jr., Colson, Herbert G. Klein
             -Signing of convention on narcotic drugs
                 -Germany
                 -The President’s previous efforts
                      -Red Room
             -US-Soviet Union trade agreement
             -Effectiveness of events

Butterfield left at 12:16 pm.

         The President's schedule
             -The President's previous meeting on drug abuse and narcotics detection
                 -The President’s crime speech, October 15, 1972
                 -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] signings

         Campaign practices
            -Dick Tuck
                -Plans for John B. Connally's dinner for the President
                    -Possible disruption
                         -Truck rental
                              -Democrats

         Haldeman’s conversations with Colson, John D. Ehrlichman

         Presidential campaign activities
             -Ehrlichman’s view
             -Kentucky
             -Forthcoming trip to Michigan
                  -Muskegon
                       -Water bill
                          -Ehrlichman’s view
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Nov-03)

             -Colson’s view
                 -Taxes
-Water bill
    -Ehrlichman’s view
-Colson’s view
    -Avoidance of fanfare crowds
         -Serious speech in prestigious forum
              -Media coverage
         -White House
-Boston
-Kentucky
    -Chicago, Ohio
-Impact of national television [TV]
    -Boston
         -Wisconsin
-Colson's recommendations
    -Patrick J. Buchanan
-Campaign momentum
    -George S. McGovern
-New York
-Campaign momentum
    -McGovern
         -Buchanan’s view
-Speeches
    -Targeting of audiences
         -Future Farmers of America
              -Compared to the Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
                  -Colson’s view
         -Clark MacGregor, Ehrlichman
-Travel
    -McGovern
-Use of national TV
-Prestigious forums
    -Ehrlichman
         -Muskegon
-Colson’s view
    -Cabinet Room
    -Presentation of legislative proposals on budget and spending issues in Press
    Room
         -Questions
         -Ehrlichman
    -Cost of Living Council [COLC] and Price Commission meetings
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Nov-03)

          -Television
               -Previous drug meeting
    -Meeting with Secretary of Defense, Chairman of the JCS, service secretaries,
     officials on defense budget issues
          -Briefing by Melvin R. Laird
    -Colson's judgment
          -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan, Elliot L. Richardson
               -Welfare proposals
          -Veterans legislation signing ceremony
               -Audience
-Trip to Kentucky
    -Ohio
    -Media coverage
    -John N. Mitchell, MacGregor
    -Peter H. Dominick
    -Telephone call to Louie B. Nunn
    -West Virginia
    -Transportation

-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s schedule
-The President's family’s schedule
-Serious speech in prestigious forum
    -Appeal
         -John F. Osborne, Hugh S. Sidey
    -Radio speeches
    -Changes in style of campaigning
    -Detroit Economic Club
    -Colson’s view
    -Non-political compared to political events
    -Buchanan's judgment
         -Press
-Kansas City
-Press conference
-Chicago event
    -Regional meeting
    -Denver
    -Example
         -National Secretaries Association
-Proposed events
    -Cabinet meeting
         -Cabinet members
             -Role as campaign surrogates
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. Nov-03)

    -JCS meeting
    -Credibility
         -Muskegon water plant
         -Veterans bill signing
-Travel
    -Helicopter
-Speeches
    -Nassau County speech by the President
         -Time
              -Tax policy
-Colson's evaluation
    -Frequency of appearances
         -Interpretation by opponents
    -Appeal to voters
         -Effect on Albert E. Sindlinger's analysis of voters not supporting
         McGovern
         -Voter turnout
         -Buchanan’s view
-Image of the President as campaigner
-Number and frequency of events
-Motorcades
    -Compared to helicopter travel
    -Ohio, Westchester, Chicago, Atlanta
-Proposed itinerary
    -Colson’s view
         -Charge of “hiding” in the White House
              -Media
         -Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Ohio, Denver, Los Angeles
-Use of radio and TV
    -Presentation of issues
-Connally’s speech
    -Bipartisanship
-National television speech
    -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Remaining in Washington, DC
    -Bills
         -Possible meeting
         -Signings
         -Ehrlichman
         -Enrollment
-Colson's analyses of schedule recommendations
    -MacGregor
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             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Nov-03)

       -Connally
       -Mitchell
       -Ehrlichman
    -Number and frequency of events

US-Soviet Union trade agreement
   -Possible statement
       -Alexander M. Haig, Jr., William P. Rogers
       -Colson, Peter M. Flanigan
       -Ehrlichman
       -Poll results
            -Public reaction
       -Jobs
            -Rogers, Haig
       -Meeting with James O. Eastland
       -Rogers briefing
   -Presentation of administration accomplishments
       -The President's role
            -Jobs
            -Rogers
            -Connally's recommendation

Presidential campaign activities
    -Television
         -The President's forthcoming appearance
              -Colson
              -Ehrlichman
    -The President's recent appearance before prisoner of war [POW] families
         -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Radio coverage
    -Overexposure
         -Colson, Ehrlichman, Flanigan
              -Recommendations
         -Signing ceremonies
              -News value
    -Henry A. Kissinger's schedule
         -Story
    -Remaining in Washington, DC
         -Bills
    -Congressional adjournment
    -Proposed meetings
         -Cabinet
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        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                       Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Nov-03)

    -COLC
    -Significance
         -Colson’s view
    -Cabinet
         -Defeat of spending ceiling limitation
             -Press room
                  -Questions
             -Possible statement
                  -Briefing by another person
                  -New Congress
                       -Taxes
         -Discussion of budget issues
             -Presentation
                  -Position on tax increases
-Press conferences
    -Timing
    -Possible questions
         -Vietnam
         -Campaign
             -McGovern
             -Campaign practices
                  -Donald H. Segretti
                  -Dwight L. Chapin
         -Limitation of subjects
             -MacGregor's statement
                  -Press coverage
                       -News summary
                       -Washington Post
         -Press relations
             -New York Times
             -Washington Post
                  -McGovern
-POW families meeting
-Events
    -Press coverage
         -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Colson’s view
             -Gerald L. Warren's news releases
                  -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] and National
                   Broadcasting Company [NBC]
-National TV appearance
-Frequency of appearances
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                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Nov-03)

    -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Colson
-Oklahoma
    -Denver
-Seattle
    -Los Angeles
-The President's role as the President
-Press coverage
-Purpose of suggested schedule events
    -Press and media coverage
         -Motorcades
         -Rallies
              -Nassau
              -Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis
    -Itinerary
         -Kentucky
              -Ohio
              -The South
              -1960, 1968 elections
              -Rally
                   -Lexington, Louisville
              -West Virginia
              -Nunn's conversations with Chapin
         -Michigan
         -New England
              -New York
         -New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana,
         Illinois, Tennessee, North Carolina, Michigan, Missouri
         -The South
         -Use of helicopter
    - [Thomas] Woodrow Wilson's birthplace in Virginia
         -New Jersey governorship
              -Foreign policy speech
              -Virginia
                   -New Majority support for the President
                   -Transportation
                   -John O. (“Jack”) Marsh, Jr.'s suggestion
              -Foreign policy speech
                   -Tie-in to Connally's speech
                       -Use of TV
                             -National coordination of campaign organizations
                                 -Corporate practice
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                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Nov-03)

                                 -Timing
                                     -Cost
                                 -McGregor
                                 -Advance knowledge of Connally's speech's content
                                     -Use of Hubert H. Humphrey's, Henry M.
                                     (“Scoop”) Jackson's names
                                         -McGovern reaction
                         -Marsh
                         -Another speech
                         -Timing
                             -Vietnam War issue
                                 -Discussion with Buchanan
                                 -President's recent appearance before POW families
                                     -Presentation of POW/missing in action [MIA]
                              bracelet to the President


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          -Possible rally
          -Kentucky
              -Nunn
          -Winton M. Blount
          -Dewey F. Bartlett
          -Blount, Nunn
              -Electoral chances
                   -Poll
          -Ohio
          -New England
              -Types of possible events
                   -Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
                   -Massachusetts
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                         Tape Subject Log
                           (rev. Nov-03)

-Tri-State event
     -Michigan
     -Minnesota
          -Duluth
     -Superior, Wisconsin
     -Iron Mountain
     -Alpena, Michigan
          -1956 campaign
-Television appearance
     -Possible radio talk
-Announcement of schedule
     -Regional appearances
          -Midwest, mountain states, California
     -National television appearances
-Radio talk
     -Theme
          -Religious value
-Recommendations on use of time
     -MacGregor, Mitchell, Connally
     -Open time
     -Cabinet, COLC, JCS meetings
          -Issues
               -Vietnam
               -Press
               -Timing in campaign
-Television appearances
     -Motorcades, rallies
          -Denver
          -Chicago, Atlanta
     -As contrast to McGovern
     -Type of event
          -Rally
               -Timing
     -Radio address to the nation
-Kentucky
     -Support for Nunn
          -Other candidates
               -Springfield, Missouri
               -The President's efforts
               -Statements
     -Louisville
     -Ashland
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Nov-03)

                -Tri-state
                     -West Virginia, Ohio
                          -Possible presidential statement on Appalachia
                               -Instruction to Price
                -Night visit
                     -News value
                          -Motorcade
                          -Radio speech
                     -Speech
                          -Nassau
                               -New York
                          -Appalachia statement
                          -Fund raisers
                          -Duration
                     -Nature of support for the President
                          -Nunn
                          -Compared to Massachusetts, Michigan
                -Ohio night visit
                     -John H. Shaffer
                          -Airport
                -Other states
                     -North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio,
                      Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Maryland
            -Press
            -TV appearance
                -Timing
                     -Football game
                -Halloween
            -Frequency
            -Kentucky
                -John Sherman Cooper tribute
                     -Nunn

Haldeman left at 1:27 pm.