Conversation: 806-007
Prev: 806-006 Next: 806-008Start Date: 24-Oct-1972 10:04 AM
End Date: 24-Oct-1972 11:15 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Rogers, William P.; White House photographer; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On October 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Henry A. Kissinger, William P. Rogers, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:15 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 806-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 806-7
Date: October 24, 1972
18
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Time: Unknown between 10:04 am and 11:15 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler, Henry A. Kissinger and William P. Rogers.
Press photograph session
-Length of time
-Press
-Mood of meeting
Ziegler left and entered at an unknown time after 10:04 am; the White House photographer and
members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting.
Vietnam negotiations
-Le Duc Tho
[Photograph session]
Ziegler left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.
Vietnam negotiations
-Withdrawal
-Time frame
-Le Duc Tho
-South Vietnam
-Kissinger’s conversation with [Nguyen Van Thieu], October 23, 1972
-Treatment of Ellsworth F. Bunker, Kissinger and US
Delegation
-Meeting of Thieu and Bunker
-Kissinger’s schedule
-Postponement
-Cancellation
-Telephone call from Hoang Duc Nha
-Kissinger’s schedule
-Thieu charges
-Kissinger’s staff
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s staff
-Thieu
-Forthcoming broadcast
-Timing
19
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Coalition government
-Foreign ministry dispatch
-Bunker
-Thieu's strategy
-Rallies
-Press and public perception
-Obstacle to peace
-US strategy
-Private compared to public negotiations
-Message from North Vietnam
-Haig’s conversation with Rogers
-Rogers's conversation with William H. Sullivan
-Provisions of settlement
-October 17, 1972 meeting with Xuan Thuy
-Political provisions
-Elections
-Constituent assemblies
-Composition of international supervising bodies
-Secretary General of the United Nations [UN]
-India
-Cadres in South Vietnamese jails
-Replacement of South Vietnamese arms
-Timing of signing
-October 31, 1972
-Prisoners
-Sullivan’s recommendation
-Issues
-Weapons replacement
-Semantic differences
-Written statement
-Return of prisoners of war [POWs]
-Democratic Republic of Vietnam [DRV] [North Vietnam]
-Schedule
-Laos, Cambodia
-Cease-fire
-Laos
-Cambodia
-Le Duc Tho’s meetings with Kissinger, September 26-27, October 8,
11, 1972
-DRV
-Foreign forces withdrawal
20
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Ban on introduction troops, armaments, war material
-US
-Political settlement
-Article 15B
-POWs
-DRV
-September, October 1972 meetings
-Laos
-Cease-fire
-October 31, 1972
-POWs
-December 30, 1972
-Souvanna Phouma
-Sullivan’s briefing
-View
-Thailand
-Sullivan’s briefing
-Lon Nol
-Kissinger’s briefing
-View
-Southeast Asia
-South Vietnam
-Thieu
-Meeting with Kissinger
-The President’s letter
-National Security Council [NSC] of Vietnam
-Size
-Prime Minister, Chief of Staff, Foreign Minister
-Schedule
-October 31, 1972
-US equipment replacement
-NSC of South Vietnam meeting
-Kissinger, Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., Bunker
-Sullivan
-NSC of Vietnam
-Questions
-Reinforcement, replacement provision
-Abrams’s meeting with Gen. Cao Van Vien
-Thieu
-Task force
-Foreign Minister
21
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Changes recommended by South Vietnam
-Force withdrawal
-US and North Vietnamese forces and bases
-National Council of National Reconciliation and Concord
-Coalition government
-Pham Van Dong interview with Arnaud de Borchgrave
-Message from the President to Kissinger
-North Vietnam concessions
-Cambodia
-Kissinger’s schedule
-NSC of South Vietnam
-Cease-fire
-Implementation
-Unilateral action, National Assembly
-Bunker
-Lon Nol
-Thieu stance
-Modifications to agreement
-Article 9G
-North Vietnamese troops in Military Region [MR] 1
-North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
-Charges
-Betrayal
-People’s Republic of China [PRC], Soviet Union
-Private meetings
-Information
-Press campaign
-Bunker, Sullivan
-Request that Thieu step down
-Cease-fire
-Withdrawal of North Vietnamese
-October 1970, January, May 1972
-The President’s speeches
-Thieu’s resignation
-US action before election
-1956 analogy
-Poland
-Article about expulsion of Eastern Europe’s Jozsef Cardinal
Mindszenty and Stefan Cardinal Wyszynski
-Charge
-Assassination coup
22
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Ngo Dinh Diem
-US officials
-US readiness to sign agreement
-Notification of North Vietnam
-Articles 7 and 8
-Changes in agreement
-Request for meeting with North Vietnam
-Nature
-Cease-fire
-Sullivan
-Article 9G
-North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
-Kissinger's conversation with Gen. Fredrick C. Weyand
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National security]
[Duration: 4s ]
INTELLIGENCE
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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-MR III situation
-Military intelligence
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-Saigon
-Gen. Duong Van Minh
-Extent of Communist control
-Future compared to present situation
-Weyland’s and other’s view
-Infiltration
-US strategy
-Le Duc Tho
-Changing agreement after signing
-Bilateral action
23
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Future US relations with North Vietnam
-Military prospects
-Bombing
-North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
-Economic prospects
-Five year economic agreement
-Economic commission between US and DRV
-Effect on continuing war
-Soviet Union, PRC
-US forces in Thailand
-Quality of agreement
-Souvanna Phouma’s and Lon Nol’s view
-Thieu
-Tenure
-Upcoming broadcast
-Coalition government
-Rallies
-Kissinger’s conversation with Bunker
-Possible plans
-Resistance to US and independent action
-Cease-fire
-Face saving device for North Vietnam
-Sabotage
-North Vietnam’s stance
-Concessions
-US strategy
-US message to Thieu
-US support
-Agreement provisions
-US economy and military aid
-Murrey Marder
-Upcoming broadcast
-Timing
-Coalition government
-US handling
-Possible effect on US foreign policy
-Coalition government
-Future of South Vietnam
-Self -determination
-Definition
-Elections in South Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-US stance
-Vietcong [VC]
-Electoral commission
-May 1969, January 25, 1972
-Political provisions
-May 1969, January 25, 1972
-May 8, 1972 cease-fire provisions
-Type of elections
-South Vietnam’s determination
-Possible North Vietnamese pressure to accept agreement
-North Vietnamese publication of agreement terms
-Strategy
-Solution of lesser points
-Administrative structure phrasing
-Disposition of forces
-Meeting
-1972 election
-Cambodia
-Resignation
-The President’s January 25, 1972 peace proposals
-Provisions in agreement
-DRV
-Coalition government
-Dong
-North Vietnamese public stance
-US strategy
-Parties to agreement
-Countering possible North Vietnamese publicity
-Working out details
-North Vietnamese
-Upcoming broadcast
-Bunker
-Content
-Possible victory claim
-Motives
-Confidence of South Vietnamese
-US strategy
-US benefits from agreement
-Settlement before 1972 election
-Progress
-South Vietnam embassy statement
25
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Rogers, Ziegler
-Thieu
-Mental state
-Bunker’s view
-Rogers’s view
-Meeting with Haig
-North Vietnamese publication of agreement terms
-Victory celebrations
-Settlement before 1972 election
-Bunker
-US pressure
-Election deadline
-Right kind of agreement
-Progress
-Public announcement
-South Vietnam’s embassy statement
-Ziegler
-Implementation of settlement terms
-Cease-fire
-Thieu’s meetings
-Working groups about expediting withdrawal
-Thieu
-Behavior
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National security]
[Duration: 7s ]
INTELLIGENCE
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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-South Vietnamese CIA
-CIA
-Equipment
26
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Thieu loyalty measures
-Flags
-Purchase of blue materials
-Possible massacre
-1972 election
-Pressure on Thieu
-Thieu’s possible fall
-US public reaction
-Effect on others
-Japanese
-Indonesians
-Filipinos
-South Koreans
-Laos
-International Control Commission [ICC]
-India
-Soviet Union, PRC
-Souvanna Phouma
-Reaction
-Sullivan
-Thais
-Souvanna Phouma
-War in Laos
-Souvanna Phouma
-Bridge playing with French, US ambassadors
-Sullivan
-Thieu
-Domestic problems
-US withdrawal, cease-fire
-North Vietnam
-Deadline
-October 31, 1972
-US public stance
-Progress
-Terms
-Honorable peace
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:05 am.
The President's schedule
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Fritz G.A. Kraemer
Bull left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.
Vietnam negotiations
-Settlement
-Timing
-Dong and [Thieu]
-George S. McGovern
-Strategy
-Response
-Progress
-Thieu
-R. Sargent Shriver
-Credit
-Kissinger’s forthcoming telephone call to Rogers
Rogers left at 11:04 am.
The President's schedule
-Meeting with Kraemer
-Kissinger
Vietnam negotiations
-Message
-Timing
Kissinger left at an unknown time before 11:15 am.