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Start Date: 27-Oct-1972 11:16 AM

End Date: 27-Oct-1972 11:41 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Lee, HaroldWhite House photographerBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

808-005.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Harold Lee, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:16 am to 11:41 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 808-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 808-5

Date: October 27, 1972
Time: 11:16 am - 11:41 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Harold Lee. The White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.

         Greetings
             -Family
                 -Smith College
             -Travel Plans
                 -Tokyo

         The People's Republic of China [PRC]
             -Mao Tse-tung
                 -Longevity
             -Chiang Kai-shek
                 -Respect
             -Chou En-lai
                 -Ability as leader
             -Reasons for US-PRC rapprochement
                 -Soviet Union
             -Quality of life
             -Shanghai
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-Singapore
-Taipei
-Hong Kong
-Chinese women
     -Dress
-Quality of life
     -Productivity
     -Future
-Influence in world
-Chou En-lai
     -Age, vigor
     -Intellectual quality
          -Meetings with the President
     -World outlook
          -West
               -Soviet Union
                    -Divisions
                        -Europe
          -Indians
               -Soviet Relations
          -East
               -Japan
                    -Military
                    -Economy
-Reason for turning to US
     -Perception of US, Japan
-The President's meetings with Chou En-lai
     -US-Japan security agreement
          -Results of possible abrogation
               -Alternatives left Japan
                    -Soviet Union
                    -Rearmament
-US-Japan relations
     -Kakuei Tanaka’s trip to the PRC
-Chinese desires
     -US as Pacific power
          -Soviet Union
          -Japan
          -India
-The President’s reading
     -John K. Fairbank
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-Survival
-World role
-US interest
    -Dialogue
    -Soviet Union
    -History of China contacts
         -Pakistan
              -Chou En-lai
         -The President’s previous press conference
              -Visit to the PRC
-US relations
    -Recent history
    -Previous administrations
    -Lee’s previous visit with the President
-Vietnam
    -Agreement with North Vietnamese
    -Acceptance by Nguyen Van Thieu
    -Quality
         -US support to South Vietnam
              -Military replacement
              -Economic assistance
         -Coalition government
         -Need to end war
    -History of effort
         -Establishment
    -J. William Fulbright, Joseph W. Alsop
    -Anna C. Chennault [?]
         -Possible telephone call
         -Health
    -Henry A. Kissinger's October 26, 1972 announcement
         -End of war
              -Prediction
-US foreign policy
    -Soviet Union
    -Comparison of Soviet Union and PRC people
         -Chou En-lai compared with Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Chou En-lai
    -The President’s view
         -Chiang Kai-shek
-Taiwan, Republic of China
    -Realities of existence
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                 -Chinese communists
                      -Possible agreement with Taiwan
                           -Economic system
                               -Productivity
                                   -Hong Kong
                                   -Wheat
                                        -Australia, Canada
             -Brezhnev
                 -The President’s view
                 -Meeting with the President
             -The President’s meetings with Chou En-lai and Mao Tse-tung
                 -Trust
                 -Interests
             -US bureaucracy

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:16 am.

        The President's schedule

        Gifts for Lee
            -Family
                  -Pins
                  -Cuff links
                      -Presidential seal

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:41 am.

        Lee's family

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 34s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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    -Smith College
    -Wellesley College
        -Liberals

Liberals
    -Double standard
    -Welfare issue
         -The President's programs
             -Food stamps

The President's schedule
    -Lee’s home
        -Lee’s wife
    -Ohio
    -L. Nicholas Ruwe
    -West Virginia, Kentucky
    -Ruwe
    -Lee

Media relations
   -New York Times, Washington Post
        -Comparison
   -Time, Newsweek
   -Vietnam
   -The President’s trips to the Soviet Union and PRC

The President's decisions
    -Bureaucrats
    -Kissinger
    -The President's May 8, 1972 decision to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong harbor
        -Kissinger
        -US-Soviet summit, May 1972
US public opinion
    -Opponents of Vietnam War
        -Education
             -Businessmen
    -Administration supporters
        -Heartland of the US
             -Farmers
        -Labor
             -George Meany
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                 -Italian-Americans
                 -Catholics, fundamentalist Protestants
             -Businessmen
                 -Donald McI. Kendall
             -The Establishment
                 -US
                      -Compared to France
                           -World War I
                      -Compared to Great Britain
                           -World War II
             -1972 election
                 -Education
                      -Intellectuals
                           -Social sciences, natural sciences

        Japan
            -Future
                -Tanaka
            -Lee’s visits
            -People
                -Compared to PRC
                     -Character

Bull entered and left at an unknown time before 11:41 am.

        Photograph

        Unknown man

        Post-1972 election
            -Possible firings

        Foreign relations
            -Soviet Union
            -PRC
            -Cities
                 -Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo
                      -Chinese

        Farewells
            -1972 election
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Lee left at 11:41 am.