Conversation: 808-007
Prev: 808-006 Next: 808-008Start Date: 27-Oct-1972 11:42 AM
End Date: 27-Oct-1972 12:03 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Committee on the Health Services Industry; Dunn, Barbara; McMahon, J. Alexander; Tibbitts, Samuel J.; Haviland, James W.; Stein, Herbert; Rumsfeld, Donald H.; Cavanaugh, James H.; White House photographer; Bull, Stephen B.;Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On October 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and members of the Committee on the Health Services Industry, including Barbara Dunn, J. Alexander McMahon, Samuel J. Tibbitts, and James W. Haviland, as well as Herbert Stein, Donald H. Rumsfeld, James H. Cavanaugh, the White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull, met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:42 am to 12:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 808-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 808-7
Date: October 27, 1972
Time: 11:42 am - 12:03 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Barbara Dunn, J. Alexander McMahon, Samuel J. Tibbetts, James W.
Haviland, Herbert Stein, Donald H. Rumsfeld and James H. Cavanaugh. The White House
photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting.
Introductions
-Dunn
-Haviland
-Seattle, Washington
-Tibbetts
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
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-Southern California
-McMahon
-North Carolina
-Chicago
-American Hospital Association
-Seating arrangements
Medical care costs
-Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Accomplishments of the Committee on the Health Services
Industry
-Future of costs
-Effect of new programs
-Hypochondria
-Administration position
-Medical care
-Example of Great Britain
-Medicare
-Medicaid
-Edward M. Kennedy proposal
-Socialism
-Economics of medical care
-Demand
-Supply
-Prices
-Quality of care
-Administration strategy
-Support of proposals
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Free health care increase
-Feasibility
-Congress
-Rumsfeld
-Goals of cost reduction
-Chart
-Cooperation
-Medical profession
-Hospital organization
-Nursing homes
-Control of prices
-Voluntary cooperation
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Dec-03)
-Over control
-Effect on quality of care
Refreshments
Medical care costs
-Quality of care
-The President’s previous meetings with presidents of the American Medical
Association [AMA] and the American Dental Association [ADA]
-Dishonesty
-Price controls
-Chart
-Prices of individual services
-Welfare
-Poll
-Duplication of services, facilities
-Proliferation of non-essential services
-Kennedy
-Dr. C. Jackson (“Dan”) Grayson, Jr.
-Duration
-Transition
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:42 am.
The President’s forthcoming radio address
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:03 pm.
Medical care costs
-Price controls
-Duration
-Proliferation of non-essential services
-Duplication of services
-Voluntary health system
-Necessary services
-Professional fees
-Long term
-Recent White House meeting
-Services of doctors in hospitals
-Potential for bureaucratic process
-Government spending for medical care
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Dec-03)
-Congressional interest
-Return for money spent
-Waste
-Need for control system
-Federal guidelines
-Constituency
-Doctors
-Hospital administrators
-Voluntarism
-Labor unions
-State legislation
-Increasing interest
-Administration plan and state plans
-Types of legislation
-Administration involvement
-State controls
-Drawbacks
-Benefits of national legislation
-State compared to Federal legislatures
-Connecticut, California
-US Senate
-Cost of Living Council [COLC]
-Uniqueness of problem
Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:42 am.
The President’s forthcoming radio address
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:03 pm.
Medical care costs
-Solicitation of committee views
-Committee role in solving problem
Presentation of gifts
-Presidential seal
-Pin
-Cuff links
Connecticut
-Thomas J. Meskill
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Dec-03)
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-[William Ryan]
California
-The President’s schedule
-Voting
-University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA] – University of Southern
California [USC] football game
The President’s forthcoming radio address
Dunn et al. left at 12:03 pm.