Conversation: 826-003
Prev: 826-002 Next: 826-004Start Date: 19-Dec-1972 9:53 AM
End Date: 19-Dec-1972 11:27 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Sanchez, Manolo; Bull, Stephen B.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Stans, Maurice H.; [Unknown person(s)];Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On December 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, Maurice H. Stans, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:53 am and 11:27 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 826-003 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 826-3
Date: December 19, 1972
Time: Unknown between 9:53 am and 11:27 am
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
Location: Oval Office
The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Manolo Sanchez.
Trip to Florida
Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s schedule
-Trip to Greece
-Timing
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:53 am.
The President’s schedule
-Meeting with Maurice H. Stans
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:10 am.
Second term reorganization
-Dwight L. Chapin
-Retention
-Announcement
-News Summary
-Herbert G. Klein
-Robert H. Finch
-Walter H. Annenberg School of Journalism
-University of Southern California [USC]
-Finch’s effort
-Possible salary
-Richard M. Nixon Library
-Cabin and Sub-Cabinet
-Camp David meeting
-Managers
-Frederick B. Dent
-Support
-Role
-Under Secretaries
-Managers
-Intelligence
-Personality
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-John C. Whitaker
-Dent
-Commerce Department
-[Donald Marron]
-Compared to [Robert W. Fri] of Office of Management
and Budget [OMB]
-Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
-William E. Simon
-James T. Lynn
-Attorney General
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Deputy
-Joseph T. Sneed
-Earl L. Butz
-Transportation Department
-Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Commerce Department
-Marron
-Compared to Pride
-Haldeman’s and John D. Ehrlichman’s views
-Advancemen
-Michael J. Farrell
-Compared to John S. Davies
-Stephen B. Bull
-Compared to Alexander P. Butterfield
-Duties related to the President and people
-[Gerald Whitburn] [?]
-Bruce A. Kehrli
-Lawrence M. Higby
-Terence O’Donnell
-Commerce Department
-Dent
-Marron
-Age
-Fri
-Age
-Whitaker
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Interior Department
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Robert J. Hitt
-National Park Service [NPS]
-Ronald H. Walker
-George Hartzog
-Walker
-Ehrlichman
-Federal Aviation Administration [FAA]
-Butterfield
-Qualifications
-Compared to [John H. Shaffer]
-Appointment
-Performance
-Loyalty
-Departure
-Appointees
-Departures
-First term
-Cabinet
-Promotions
-1972 campaign
-Surrogates
-Politicians
-John A. Volpe
-Richard B. Ogilvie
Vietnam negotiations
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Schedule
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Press relations
-News summary
-Harry Reasoner
-Criticism
-Kissinger
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-“Peace is at hand” statement
-North Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Fact compared to observation
-Politics
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 10:10 am.
Vietnam War
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-First wave
-Lack of losses
-Timing
-Air Force
-B-52s
-Negotiations
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Meeting with Haig
-The President’s letter
-Effect
-Tone
-Haig’s refusal to meet with South Vietnam National Security
Council as to negotiate
-The President’s letter
-Presentation
-Possible cooperation
-Congressional relations
-Kissinger’s meeting with Jacob K. Javits
-Javits’s opposition to the President
-1972 election
-Senate
-House of Representatives
-January 1973
-Possible legislation
-Timing
-Three and six months
-House of Representatives
-Senate
-F. Edward Hebert’s statement
-US mining and bombing north of 20th Parallel
Vietnam negotiations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Charles W. Colson
-Washington Post editorial
-Settlement agreement
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Colson
-National League of Families
-Colson
-Haig
-Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
-Kissinger
-North Vietnam’s press conference
-Paris
-POWs
-Haig
-Scowcroft
-National League of Families
-Leadership
-Kissinger
-Haig’s possible telephone call to president [Phyllis Galanti]
-Compared to meeting with the President
-Christmas
-North Vietnamese demands
-Kissinger’s and Ziegler’s briefings
-News summary
-Possible denial
-Effect
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-Effect
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-Public relations [PR]
-Breakdown in talks
-Disappointment
-Press relations
-Television [TV] news
-Continuation
-Press relations
-Pundits
-Effect
-Thieu
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-North Vietnam
-Purpose
-Press relations
-Pundits
-Reasoner
-Criticism
-1972 campaign
-Reasoner
-End of war
-[1969]
-Cambodia
-US-Soviet Union summit
-US-People’s Republic of China [PRC] summit
-Motives
-Interest in US defeat
-1972 election
-Liberals
-Georgetown, New York, universities
-Contact with administration
-Telephone calls
-The President’s trip to the PRC
-The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
-The President’s trip to the Soviet Union
-North Vietnam’s press conference
-Propaganda
-Breakdown in talks
-Timing
-Technical talks
-Agenda
-Resumption of talks
-Cessation of US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-Kissinger
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-Cessation
-Resumption of talks
-Kissinger
-Record
-Credibility
-North Vietnam’s [October] 26, 1972 statement
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-New York Times, Washington Post
-Settlement agreement
-US statements
-Settlement agreement
-Release
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Op-ed article
Haldeman left at an unknown time before 10:26 am.
Press relations
-1972 election
-Kissinger’s view
-White House social affairs
-Receptions for 1972 election supporters
-Midwestern colleges
-Age of Andrew Jackson
Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:10 am.
Press relations
-White House social events
-Symbolism
-Press pool
-Washington Post
-Ziegler
-Kansas City Star
-Circulation
-Washington Post
-Photographs
-Clay T. (“Tom”) Whitehead’s speech
-Balanced programming
-Local broadcast
-Criticism of administration
-Influence on content programming
-Local TV station managers
-Networks
-Charles Crutchfield
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
Vietnam negotiations
-North Vietnam’s press conference
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-Airplane Losses
-Publicity
-Timing
-The President’s conversation with Adm. Thomas H.
Moorer
-TV news
-B-52s
-F-111s
-PR
-F-104s
-B-52s
-Crews
-Capture
-Effect
-North Vietnam
Kissinger left at 10:26 am.
Vietnam negotiations
-Kissinger’s “peace is at hand” statement
-Credibility
-Alice Roosevelt Longworth’s view
-Franklin D. Roosevelt’s statement
-Peace
-Ziegler’s statement
-“Peace is at hand”
The President’s schedule
-Meeting with Maurice H. Stans
-Timing
-Kissinger
Vietnam negotiations
-Press relations
-Peace
-Kissinger’s relationship with the President
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-News summary
-Thieu
-Second term
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
-PR
-The President’s schedule
-Trip to Florida
-Delay
-Meeting with White House staff
-Ziegler
-Colson
-Klein
-The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
-Capabilities
-Haldeman’s view
-Ziegler
-Robert J. Dole
-Congressional relations
-Cut off of US funds
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
Republican National Committee [RNC]
-Human Events article
-George H. W. Bush
-Dole
-Haldeman’s opinion
-Departure
-Support
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The President’s schedule
-Stans
-Meeting with White House staff
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Timing
-Ziegler
-Colson
-Haldeman
-Kissinger
Stans entered at 10:33 am.
Greetings
-White House
-Carpet cleaning
Stans’s schedule
-Shoreham Hotel
-The President’s schedule
-Trip to Camp David
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Christmas decorations
-Curry [?] [first name unknown]
-Trip to Florida
-Timing
-Stans’s schedule
-Shoreham Hotel
-Camp David
-Invitation to Stans and Kathleen (Carmody) Stans
-[Gen. Walter R. Tkach]
-Dogwood, Birch, Aspen lodges
-Sauna
-Kathleen Stans
-Gen. Tkach
-Children
-Timing
-Duration
-Cabinet
-The President’s schedule
-Children
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
The President’s foot
1972 election
-Fundraising
-Use of funds
-Difficulties
-The President’s victory
-Statistics
[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Watergate
-Effect on 1972 campaign
-Fundraising
-Maurice Stans’s efforts
-The President’s supporters
-New York
-The President’s conversation with Donald McI Kendall
-Morality
-John N. Mitchell
-The President’s critics
-1972 campaign
-Violence
-Burning buildings, broken windows
-Disruption
-Republican National Convention
-Meetings
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox, Thelma C.
(“Pat”) Nixon
-Unknown person’s letter to the President
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Lack of response
-Donald H. Segretti
-Maurice Stans’s reputation
-Resolution
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Timing
-Mitchell
-1972 election
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
1972 election
-Attacks on Stans
-Criminal accusations
-Frank E. (“Ted”) Moss
-Sabotage of fundraising
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Segretti
-Efforts
-Contributors
-Amount of funds
-Vote in Virginia
-“Bircher”
-Surplus funds
-Uses
-Lawsuits
-Decisions about use
-Timing
-Options
-Accident
-POWs
-Private airplane
-Separate fund
-Legality
-Conditions
-Republican Congressional campaign committees
-Intentions for funds
-Public statement
-Uses
-Litigation
-Private purposes
Republican Party
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Surplus funds
-National Command Post Campaign
-Senate Committee
-House Campaign Committee
-Boosters
-Campaigning spending
-Peter H. Dominick
-Memorandum
-National Finance Committee’s contributions
-Contributions to candidates
-William M. (“Red”) Blount, John G. Tower, Henry Hibbard, John H.
Chafee, William L. Scott, Pete V. Domenici, S. Fletcher Thompson, Jesse
A. Helms, Margaret Chase Smith
-Jack Miller, Gordon L. Allott, J. Caleb Boggs
-Dominick
-Leaks to the press
-Rowland Evans, Robert D. Novak
-Coverage
-Jack Miller
-Number of contributions
-Recognition
-New contributors
-Invitations
-Form letter
-Dinners for contributors
-W. Clement Stone
-John W. Mulcahy
-Richard M. Scaife
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Location
-Camp David
-Class One
-White House
-Class Two
-Finance Committee
-Anderson House
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-The President’s schedule
-White House
-Receptions for 1972 election supporters
-Wives of contributors
-Number of guests
-Location
-Camp David
-Compared to White House
-Transportation
-Number of guests
-“Million dollar club”
-John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy
-W. Clement Stone
-Richard M. Scaife
-Richard M. Nixon Foundation
-Number of guests
-Recognition of campaign workers
-Number of guests
-Number of dinners
-Recognition of contributors
-Formula
-Lists by brackets
-Maurice Stans
-Commerce Department
-Appointments
-Commissions, committees
-Foreign trips
-Maurice Stans’s conversations with Haldeman
-Maurice Stans’s letter
-Brackets
-Trips
-William V. S. TUbman’s funeral
-Use of White House
-Rose Mary Woods
-Social affairs
-Appointments
-Commissions, committees
-Trips
-Liberia
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Henry A. Kissinger’s office
-State Department
-Funerals
-Frank B. Rackley
-Health
-Administration
-William L. Codus
-Frank Borman
-Escorts for foreign guests
-Certificates
-Ambassadors
-Social affairs
-1973 Inauguration
-The President’s schedule
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
1972 election
-List of noncontributors
-Washington Post
-Thomas Spencer Shore
-Ohio Republican Finance Chairman
-Problems
-Wiley T. Buchanan, Jr.
-Ambassadorial hopes
-Contribution
-Herbert G. Brownell
-Former RNC chairman
-Daniel K. Ludwig [?]
-Interior Department
-Haldeman
-Jack Eckard
-Florida businessman
-Daniel J. Evans, Governor of Washington
-Interference
-Arch A. Moore, Jr., Governor of West Virginia
-Interference
-Francis W. Sargent, Governor of Massachusetts
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Fundraising commitment
-Failure
-Phil [surname unintelligible]
-Johnson and Johnson
-Lamar Hunt
-Kansas City
-William Fisher
-Ohio
-Al Pinkerson
-Colorado
-Warren P. Knowles, Governor of Wisconsin
-Crossby Kemper [?]
-Missouri
-George H. Love
-Chrysler Corporation
-Consolidated Coal
-Daniel Lufkin
-Louis Marx [?]
-Bob Mantolo [?]
-California
-Chain stores
-J. Irwin Miller
-Bill Miller
-Tectron [?]
-William S. Paley
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Lester Ruwe
-L. Nicholas Ruwe
-Chief of Protocol
-Norton Simon
-Walter N. Thayer
-John H. (“Jock”) Whitney
-White House dinner
-Ambassador to Great Britain
-Bob Eli [?]
-Schlitz beer
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Xerox Corporation
-Use of machines
-Federal government
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
-Whitney
-Contributions
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Amount
-Edward R. G. Heath, Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home
-New York dinner
-Whitney de Roulet
-Joan Payson
-Disaffection
-Response to letter
-Appointment
-Thayer
-White House staff’s responsibility
-Flanigan
-John B. Connally
-Eisenhower College Financing
-Jacob K. Javits
-Rose Mary Woods
-Eisenhower silver dollars
-Report from Haldeman
-New contributors
-List
-Colson
-Labor
-John A. Volpe
-Herbert W. Kalmbach
Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time before 11: 27 am.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:33 am.
The President's schedule
-Meeting with William D. Ruckelshaus
Bull left at an unknown time before 11:27 am.
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
1972 election
-Contributors
-Meetings with the President
-Stans’s role
-Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr.
-Robert B. Pamplin
-Georgia Pacific
-John E. Ullmann
-Max M. Fisher
-Taft Schreiber
-Industry group contributors
-National Association of Real Estate Boards [NAREB]
-National Association of Home Builders of the United States [NAHB]
-Carpet industry
-Cable television association
-Trucking industry
-Cable television association
-Football blackouts
-Trucking industry
-Ruhan [first name unknown]
-Iowa
-Lobbying
-Meetings with the President
-Howard Hughes
-Telephone call from the President
-Birthday
-Location
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Nicaragua
-Republican National Finance Committee
-New chairman
-Jerry Novaine
-Pat Wilson
-Tennessee
-William E. Brock, III
-John W. Rollins
-Schedule
-Kalmbach
-J. William Middledorft
-Ambassadorial post
-The Netherlands
-Treasurer, National Committee
-Bush
-John N. Mitchell
-Meeting with Stans
-Dole
-List of contributors
-Requests
-Robert H. Finch
-California
-Republican National Finance Committee
-Use
-Problems
-Future commitments
-1974 election
-Carl Litner [?]
-Cincinnati
-New candidates
-New Majority
-Patronage
-List
-Roy Carbon
-Jamaica
-Iowa
-Van Dycke Corporation
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
1972 campaign
-Possible appointments for contributors
-Ambassadorships, Consuls General
-Number
-State Department efforts
-1971
-Commercial officers
-Sao Paolo
-Melbourne
-Toronto
-Hamburg
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Republican dinner, March 28, 1973
-Location
-Congress
-Republican National Finance Committee
-Sponsorship
-Possible attendance by the President
-1972 dinner
-Spiro T. Agnew
-Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
-House campaign committee
-Departure
-House of Representatives candidates
-Quality
-Fundraising
-Opposition
-Gerald R. Ford
-Daniel H. Kuykendall
-Candidates
-Reorganization plan
-Bush
-The President’s terms
-Candidates
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-The President’s efforts
-Compared to Democrats
-Quality
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Joseph R. Biden
-News summary
-Identity
-Senators-elect from Delaware
-Deaths of wife [Neilia (Hunter) Biden] and child [Amy Biden]
1972 campaign
-Possible appointments for contributors
-Stone
-Meeting with the President
-Ambassadorship to Great Britain
-Secretary of State
-Effect
-Walter H. Annenberg
-Ambassadorship to France
-Conversation with the President
-Ambassadorship to Great Britain
-Annenberg
-David E. Bradshaw
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
[Privacy]
[Duration: 4s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
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1972 campaign
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Possible appointments for contributors
-Stone
-Ambassadorships
-Portugal, Belgium
-Great Britain
-London
-Stone’s conversation with Maurice Stans
-Timing
-The President’s meeting with Stone
-Annenberg
-Retention
-Departure
Congressional relations
-Dwight D. Eisenhower College
-Walter N. Thayer letter to the President
-Treasury Department legislation
-John B. Connally
-Thayer
-Charls E. Walker
-Ehrlichman’s letter to Thayer
-Thayer’s letter to the President
-Meeting with Walker
-Thayer’s telephone call to Ehrlichman
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Ehrlichman’s office
-Peter M. Flanigan’s meeting with Thayer
-Bill introducing
-Timing
-Connally’s schedule
-Jacob K. Javits
-Treasury Department
-Paul H. O’Neill’s memorandum
-Grants
-Ehrlichman’s memorandum to Connally
-Thayer’s proposal
-Connally’s reply to Ehrlichman
-Treasury Department
-Connally’s conversation with Thayer
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
-Bill
-Bill introduction
-Timing
-Senate [S. 2987], House of Representatives [HR 12199]
-Thayer’s letter to Flanigan
-Hearings
-Thayer’s view
-Compared to Eisenhower Hospital Center
-Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope’s view
-Maurice Stans or Flanigan’s possible conversation with Thayer
-The President’s schedule
-Files for Maurice Stans
-Copy
-Thayer
-Motives
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
1972 election
-Contributors
-Whitney
-Attendance at dinner
-Ambassadorship
-Refund
-Stans’s performance
-Thayer
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Watergate
-Effect
-Maurice Stans’s alleged involvement
Maurice Stans’s schedule
-Camp David
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. July-08)
Conversation No. 826-3 (cont’d)
The President’s schedule
-Trip to Florida
Kissinger [?]
Haldeman and Maurice Stans left at 11:27 am.