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Conversation: 830-002

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Start Date: 2-Jan-1973 3:35 PM

End Date: 2-Jan-1973 4:19 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Mansfield, Michael J. ("Mike")Atkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie")Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

830-002.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:35 pm and 4:19 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 830-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 830-2

Date: January 2, 1973
Time: Unknown between 3:35 pm and 4:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield at 3:35 pm. The White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings
             -New Years

       Photograph session

       Reception for freshmen Congress members
            -Timing
            -Thomas Hale Boggs memorial service
            -Harry S. Truman memorial service
                  -The President’s absence
                  -Lyndon B. Johnson
            -Attendees
                  -“Big Five” Congressional leaders
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                              Conversation No. 830-2 (cont’d)

                   -Warren E. Burger

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:35 pm.

       The President’s schedule
            -[First name unknown] Browning [?]

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:19 pm.

       Bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
             -Attendees
                   -Committee chairs
                        -Economics
             -Wage and price controls
             -Second-term reorganization
                   -George P. Shultz
                        -Secretary of the Treasury’s role
                   -Congressional relations
                        -White House staff
                              -Reduction
                              -Single contact

Bull and members of the press entered at an unknown time after 3:35 pm.

       [Photograph session]

       Mike Mansfield
            -Football player
                 -Relation to Michael J. Mansfield
            -University of North Carolina
            -Linebacker
            -Michael J. Mansfield’s football career

       The President's football career at Whittier College
            -Game in Pomona, California
            -Kenny Baldwin
                  -Injury

       Mike Mansfield
            -Rose Bowl
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                              Conversation No. 830-2 (cont’d)

                  -Ohio State University
            -Orange Bowl
            -Sun Bowl
                  -University of North Carolina
                  -Texas Tech University
            -Cotton Bowl
            -Anthony Davis
            -Baseball
            -Ballet dancer

Bull and members of the press left at an unknown time before 4:19 pm.

       Congressional relations
            -Bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
                  -Attendees
                         -“Big Five”
                         -Committee chairs
                               -Banking and currency
                               -Government organization
                               -Finance
                               -Ways and Means
            -Pattern of future meetings
                  -Hugh Scott
                  -William E. Timmons
                  -Gerald R. Ford
                  -Minority
                  -Subjects of discussion
                         -Foreign policy
                               -Tradition of bipartisanship
                         -Domestic policy
                               -Second term reorganization
                               -Wage and price controls
                               -Bipartisanship
                         -Regular Republican leadership meetings
                               -Scott
                               -Ford
            -Regular meetings with Mansfield
                  -Carl B. Albert
                         -John G. Tower
                         -Ford
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                      Conversation No. 830-2 (cont’d)

                -Unknown person
          -Bipartisan areas
                -Senate
                      -Compared to House of Representatives
                            -Confirmations
                            -Foreign policy
          -Mansfield’s advice to the President
     -New approach
          -Bipartisan meetings

Vietnam settlement
     -Unrest in Congress
           -Necessity
           -The President's responsibility
                 -Laos
                 -Cambodia
     -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
           -Attitudes
                 -Reduction in bombing
                 -Mansfield's concern
     -The President's policy
           -Negotiations in Paris
                 -Length
                 -Detrimental statements
     -Negotiations
           -Bipartisan Congressional leadership meeting
           -Possible statements by the President
           -Fragility
           -Henry A. Kissinger briefing of Mansfield
                 -Hugh Scott
                 -J. William Fulbright
           -Need for confidentiality
           -Status
                 -October 8, 1972 agreement
                 -Le Duc Tho
                 -North Vietnamese position before 1972 election
                 -Kissinger's “Peace is at hand” statement
                 -The President's response on television [TV]
                 -Cambodia, Laos
                 -Demilitarized Zone [DMZ]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                   Tape Subject Log
                    (rev. Sept.-08)

                                           Conversation No. 830-2 (cont’d)

      -Prisoners of War [POWs]
      -Cease-fire
            -Cambodia, Laos
      -DMZ
            -Significance
                   -Lasting peace
-October 8, 1972 agreement
      -Cease-fire in place
            -Cambodia Laos
            -South Vietnam’s position
                   -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops
      -Return of POWS
      -Free elections
            -Supervisory body
      -North Vietnamese rejection
            -Kissinger’s return to Paris
            -New conditions
            -William H. Sullivan
            -Kissinger’s reports
            -Infiltration
-Latest developments
      -Technical talks
            -Protocols
      -Meeting with Kissinger
-US position
      -Caution
      -Opening to North Vietnamese
      -Outstanding issues
      -Return to previous agreements
            -October 8, 1972
            -October 26, 1972
      -Withdrawal of North Vietnamese troops
            -South Vietnam’s position
                   -Nguyen Van Thieu
                   -Return of Congress
-Mansfield's position
-Quick end to war
-Resumption of war
-Laos, Cambodia
-Mansfield's report to public
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                          Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. Sept.-08)

                                                              Conversation No. 830-2 (cont’d)

                         -Concern
                         -Resumption of serious negotiation
                         -Substance
                              -Declining comment

       Democratic Congressional caucus
           -Mansfield's statement
                  -Vietnam settlement
                  -Relations with the President
           -Congressional resolutions
                  -George M. McGovern
                        -The President’s appearance before Senate
                              -Mansfield’s response
                  -Seniority
           -Vietnam negotiations
                  -Lyndon B. Johnson
                  -Responsibility of Senate

       The President's political career
            -Length

       Confirmations of Cabinet officials
            -Double track
            -The President’s schedule

       Vietnam settlement
            -Deadline
                  -Election
            -Mansfield's conversation with Kissinger
            -Mansfield’s desire
                  -Withdrawal
            -Congressional relations
            -Length of the war
                  -John F. Kennedy
                        -First combat troops

Mansfield left at 4:19 pm.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Sept.-08)