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Start Date: 5-Jan-1973 3:39 PM

End Date: 5-Jan-1973 4:10 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Romulo, Carlos P.Kennedy, Richard T. (Col.)Atkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie")Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

834-013.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 5, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Carlos P. Romulo, Col. Richard T. Kennedy, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:39 pm to 4:10 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 834-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 834-13

Date: January 5, 1973
Time: 3:39 pm - 4:10 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Carlos P. Romulo and Col. Richard T. Kennedy; the White House
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Feb.-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 834-13 (cont’d)

photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings

       Auto accident
            -Romulo's recovery

       The President’s electoral victory

       Reminiscence of Nixon-Romulo relationship

       The President’s victory

       Refreshments

       Martial law
            -Ferdinand E. Marcos
                   -Internal situation
                   -American democracy
            -Reforms
                   -Impact on Romulo
                   -Impact on younger people
                   -Manila
            -Democracy
                   -Restraints on developing countries
                         -Latin America
                         -Korea
                         -Vietnam
                         -Congress

       1972 election
            -Public relations
                   -Attacks on the President
                   -George S. McGovern
                   -Kennedy family

       US foreign relations
            -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                  -Impact on Asian countries
                         -Philippines
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     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Feb.-09)

                                                 Conversation No. 834-13 (cont’d)

      -US as balance to Soviet Union
-Japan
      -Restraint
      -Geography
-Vietnam
      -Concern
      -Negotiations in Paris
            -Terms
                   -Cease-fire
                   -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                   -Democracy in South Vietnam
      -North Vietnam actions in October
            -Agreement
            -Henry A. Kissinger
      -North Vietnam actions post election
            -New conditions
            -Delay of agreement
      -Suspension of bombing
      -Current status
            -US presence
            -South Vietnam defenses
            -“Peace with honor”
      -The Philippines view of negotiations
            -Marcos
            -Delay of agreement
            -“Honorable peace”
            -Political settlement
      -Nguyen Van Thieu
-US presence in Asia
      -Compared to other countries
            -PRC
            -Soviet Union
            -Japan
            -Australia
      -Purpose
      -Importance
      -Aid to Asian countries
-Romulo’s opinion of the President
      -George H.W. Bush
      -William P. Rogers
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Feb.-09)

                                                               Conversation No. 834-13 (cont’d)

                   -Public relations
                         -Knowledge of Asian issues
                         -Compared to previous US Presidents
                   -Marcos’s message

       US ambassadors
            -Henry A. Byroade
                  -Changes
                  -Experience
            -Bush
                  -United Nations [UN]
                  -Compared to John A. Scali
                  -Chairmen of the Republican Party
            -Philippine ambassador

       Education
            -Robert S. McNamara
            -Loan agreement
                   -Elementary
                   -Vocational
            -Lawyers, doctors
                   -Compared to Philippines
                   -Junior colleges
                         -Compared to vocational school
            -Politicans

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown after 3:39 pm.

       Presidential gift

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:01 pm.

       The President's return to Philippines

       Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

       Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

       Mrs. Nixon
            -California residence
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Feb.-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 834-13 (cont’d)

             -[Thomas] Hale Boggs's funeral

Romulo and Kennedy left at 4:10 pm.