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Conversation: 844-003

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Start Date: 30-Jan-1973 9:24 AM

End Date: 30-Jan-1973 11:05 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.Phuong, Tran KimLam, Tran VanAtkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie")Bull, Stephen B.Sanchez, ManoloZiegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

844-003a.mp3

844-003b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, Tran Kim Phuong, Tran Van Lam, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:24 am and 11:05 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 844-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 844-3

Date: January 30, 1973
Time: Unknown between 9:24 am and 11:05 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman at 9:24 am.

       Press relations
             -Henry A. Kissinger
             -Jerrold L. (“Jerry”) Schecter
                    -Time
             -Kissinger relations with White House
             -India–Pakistan
             -The President's relationship
                    -White House staff
                    -Kissinger
             -"Man of the Year" cover
             -Schecter
                    -Relationship with Kissinger
                    -Conversation
             -Charles W. Colson
             -Herbert G. Klein
             -"Johnny Carson Show"
             -Kissinger "Man of the Year" cover story
             -Media
             -Elections of 1970
             -Kissinger’s response to press on bombing
             -Television [TV]
             -David Kraslow
             -Crosby S. Noyes
             -Kissinger and Jews
             -Smith Hempstone, Jr
             -Ronald L. Ziegler
             -Media perceptions
             -News summary
                    -Time
                    -Newsweek
             -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
             -John A. Scali
                                              -3-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                           Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

             -Klein
             -Colson and Haldeman
             -Patrick J. Buchanan
             -White House strategy
             -The campaign
                   -White House staff
                          -Buchanan
             -Robert H. Finch
             -TV
             -Kissinger

Kissinger entered at 9:41 am.

Haldeman left at 9:42 am.

       Kissinger's schedule
             -Joseph W. Alsop
             -Rowland Evans

       Newsweek
           -Coverage of the President and Vietnam
           -Kissinger's conversations
                 -Henry Hubbard
                 -Mel Elfin

       Press relations
             -Vietnam War

       Kissinger's schedule
             -Robert S. McNamara
                   -Economic development
             -Press relations
             -Mail

       Press attitude
             -Haldeman
             -TV
             -Time

       Vietnam settlement
                                     -4-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                     Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

      -Cease-fire
      -Buchanan

The President's relations with unnamed person [Tran Van Lam]
     -Paris
     -US relations with South Vietnam
     -Schedule for unnamed person [Tran Van Lam]
     -Spiro T. Agnew

Agnew's schedule
    -Kissinger
    -Brent G. Scowcroft
    -Itinerary
           -Philippines
    -The President's schedule
    -Philippines
    -Report to the Cabinet
    -Kissinger's schedule
           -North Vietnam
           -People's Republic of China [PRC]
    -The President's schedule
    -Cabinet meeting

Press relations
      -Counterattack
      -White House attitudes
      -Alsops
      -List
             -Haldeman
             -Alsops

Kissinger's schedule
      -Hanoi
      -Public relations

Agnew
    -Meeting with Cabinet

Egyptians
     -Meeting with Kissinger
                                           -5-

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

                 -London
            -Golda Meir
            -Camp David

Tran Van Lam and Tran Kim Phuong entered at 9:52 am; Members of the press and the White
House photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

      Introductions

      Photo session

      Foreign relations
            -US and Vietnam
            -Cease-fire
            -Peace
            -Economic and military support for Vietnam
            -Friendship for Vietnam
            -South Vietnam government
                  -Recognition
                  -Assistance
                  -Influence
            -US policy in Indochina
            -Agnew's visit to Vietnam
                  -Areas of discussion
                        -Possible recommendations to the US Cabinet
            -Negotiations
                  -Congress
                  -Economic and military support for South Vietnam
            -Paris negotiations
            -The President's trips to Vietnam
            -Friendship with Vietnamese people
                  -Independence
            -US press
                  -Nguyen Van Thieu
            -Congress
                  -Aid
                  -Peace investment
            -International relations with South Vietnam
            -North Vietnam
                                      -6-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                      Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

Vietnam settlement
     -Cease-fire
     -North Vietnam
            -Communists
     -Kissinger
     -War and peace
     -US policy toward South Vietnamese government
            -Agnew
     -Demonstrations
            -Timing
            -Madame Nguyen Binh
            -Paris
     -Geneva
     -Copenhagen
     -Scandinavians
     -French
            -Maurice Schumann
                   -Demonstration
            -Georges J. R. Pompidou
            -Paris
            -Impact of demonstrations on negotiations
            -Charles A. J. M. Degaulle
                   -The President's state visit
                   -Funeral
            -Police
     -Iceland
     -Demonstrations
     -France
            -Pompidou
            -Schumann
     -William P. Rogers
     -Paris
     -Copenhagen
     -Pompidou
     -Finland
            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
            -Geneva
            -Salzburg
            -Vienna
     -Vienna
                               -7-

     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                        Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. Mar.-09)

                                           Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

       -Demonstrators
-Geneva
       -North Vietnamese
       -Chinese
-Paris
       -Pompidou
       -Schumann
       -Demonstrations
       -South Vietnamese
       -Hanoi
       -South Vietnam
       -US relations with USSR
             -Chinese
             -Hanoi
             -Saigon
             -Schumann
             -Jean Sainteny
-North Vietnam
       -Agreement
             -Souvanna Phouma
             -Nguyen Van Thieu
             -US aid
-South Vietnam
       -Air Force
       -People
       -US relations
             -USSR
             -PRC
             -North Vietnam
       -Laos
       -Cambodia
       -Cease-fire
       -Press relations
       -Congress
       -Communism
-North Vietnam
       -US strategy
       -USSR
       -PRC
-US relations with South Vietnam
                                 -8-

      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                         Tape Subject Log
                          (rev. Mar.-09)

                                            Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

       -Kissinger
       -Agnew
             -Thieu
-North Vietnam
       -Effect of bombing
-South Vietnam
       -May offensive
       -Strength of forces
       -Government
             -Effect of Communism
       -Death statistics
       -Cease-fire
       -Strategy
       -Thieu
       -Press relations
-Paris
       -Kissinger
-Copenhagen
       -Danish Prime Minister
-Danes, Swedes, Norwegians
-Paris
-Vienna
-Geneva
-Pompidou
       -Thieu
       -Demonstrations
-France
       -Cultural influences on Vietnam
       -Role in negotiations
       -Pompidou
             -Relations with US
       -Thieu
       -Schumann
       -Elections
       -Socialists
       -Communists
       -Pierre Mendes-France
       -Pompidou
-Copenhagen
-Geneva
                                                -9-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                            Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

             -Vienna
             -French
                   -Demonstrations
             -Thieu
             -Meeting with the President
                   -The President's schedule
                        -Kakuei Tanaka
                   -Thieu’s schedule

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:52 am.

       The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:37 am.

Tran Van Lam and Tran Kim Phuong left at 10:37 am.

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:37 am.

       The President's briefcase
            -Executive Office Building [EOB]

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:39 am.

Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:37 am.

       The President's schedule
            -Ziegler

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:39 am.

       Vietnam settlement
            -Thieu's schedule
                  -Visit to US
            -Hanoi trip

Ziegler entered at 10:39 am.

                  -Timing
             -North Vietnam
                                              -10-

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Mar.-09)

                                                               Conversation No. 844-3 (cont’d)

             -The President's conversation with Tran Van Lam
             -Kissinger's schedule
                   -William E. Timmons
                   -Trip to Hanoi
             -Time

       Press relations
             -Soviet Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                    -Timing of negotiations

       Kissinger's suits

Kissinger left at 10:41 am.

       Photographers
            -South Vietnamese meeting with the President
            -Bull
            -Gerald L. Warren
            -Haldeman

       Kissinger's schedule
             -Haldeman

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 11:05 am.